MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[HARRYM]

True but there are some seriously bad features that didn't make it in - those things take time and money to fight so anything that doesn't make it to the governor's desk is a win.
Unless of course you have deep 7 figure money to donate for the fight.

Every donation, no matter the size, helps the cause.

 

[pastera]

It seems to me that grandfathering benefits the government.

It prevents lawsuits against the government because nothing gets confiscated and gives them cover.

They did this in CT and totally got away with it.

If there were no grandfathering - lawsuits could bring down the whole AWB house of cards.

Grandfathering may slow down the process but this the AWB is unconstitutional by Bruen's reiteration/ clarification of Heller's common use test.

 

[DJBrad]

Grandfathering may slow down the process but this the AWB is unconstitutional by Bruen's reiteration/ clarification of Heller's common use test.

Let’s be scofflaws together brother.

 

[Tallahassee]

Adding grandfathering is their bullshit idea of compromising. And retarded gun owners will eat it up. Thank god they gave us grandfathering, at least we got that finally! The new gun bill sure would have sucked without grandfathering.

 

[DJBrad]

I can see it now.


Pastera and I are standing before the Ma Caesar in Pilate’s Hall and he says, “But your highness! Have mercy on me! DJBrad is a greater scofflaw than I!”

 

[Bmcl322]

Grandfathering may slow down the process but this the AWB is unconstitutional by Bruen's reiteration/ clarification of Heller's common use test.

100% correct!

 

[Tallahassee]

let's see how many remember this quote:
"What you tolerate, you validate. What you put up with, you deserve."

I hope I got that correct, wouldn't want to irritate anyone in particular.

 

[Palladin]

Amendment S.2572

malegislature.gov

Read the Amendments these a**h***s want

Mr. Gomez moves that the proposed new text be amended by inserting the following section:-

“SECTION XX. Section 131P of Chapter 140 of the General Laws is hereby amended by inserting after the word “curriculum” the following words:-

Said curriculum must include a minimum of at least 5 hours of live discharge of firearms, rifles, and shotguns at a licensed gun club, including the discharge of at least 50 rounds of ammunition.”

 

[Sparky1911]

Lighten up Francis. I ran thousands of SPC charts in my career and can tell you when your methods keep producing a failed result your methods are not working. There have been plenty of rallies and plenty of letter writing over the years. We continue to be one of the worst anti-gun states in the union. The chart says the methods aren't working. Stop voting for Democrats would be the best solution but that may take decades for it to happen and honestly its not likely.

The courts outside of Massachusetts is all we got at the moment. But, that takes organization and boku bucks and frankly it remains to be seen if gun owners and 2A supporters will answer the call.

Ok. Thanks Karen.

 

[not new guy]

Ok. Thanks Karen.

What exactly are you suggesting is the correct reaction to this bill? On one hand you're saying we shouldn't worry about it and on the other you're saying we need to rally at the statehouse (despite not having actually attended any of the various rallies there in recent years yourself). Which is it?

 

[CATI]

I am out of this state in the spring
I was planning to move anyways but I was looking in MA and NH and ME
NH is not far away from becoming MA but I will have some time before that happens
After seeing this coming up again I am done
Best of luck MA Comrades

 

[Palladin]

The TWAT allowing grandfathering before 2016

Ms. Creem moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 14, in lines 356-357, by striking the words “shall be punishable by not more than 12 months imprisonment” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- “shall be punishable by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than 12 months”; and

in section 3, by inserting after the word “weapon”, in line 115, the following words:- “; provided further, that the weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered in the commonwealth prior to July 20, 2016”.

 

[not new guy]

The TWAT allowing grandfathering before 2016

Ms. Creem moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 14, in lines 356-357, by striking the words “shall be punishable by not more than 12 months imprisonment” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- “shall be punishable by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than 12 months”; and

in section 3, by inserting after the word “weapon”, in line 115, the following words:- “; provided further, that the weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered in the commonwealth prior to July 20, 2016”.

I still wonder (as I noted in the other thread) whether Healey's proclamation was made with eventual legislation like this in mind.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

The TWAT allowing grandfathering before 2016

Ms. Creem moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 14, in lines 356-357, by striking the words “shall be punishable by not more than 12 months imprisonment” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- “shall be punishable by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than 12 months”; and

in section 3, by inserting after the word “weapon”, in line 115, the following words:- “; provided further, that the weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered in the commonwealth prior to July 20, 2016”.

Interesting considering we do not register weapons in this state. We register transactions.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

The TWAT allowing grandfathering before 2016

Punishment for the troglodytes who did not listen to Healey and followed the written laws and then actually submitted an eFA10 afterwards.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Interesting considering we do not register weapons in this state. We register transactions.

Yes they freequently mention "Registering" in these various versions but I don't know whether they mean FA-10 or whether they mean creating an entirely new "Registration" system, per se.

 

[Reptile]

Yes they freequently mention "Registering" in these various versions but I don't know whether they mean FA-10 or whether they mean creating an entirely new "Registration" system, per se.

What if a lower was never FA10'd? But, you have a bill of sale from before 2016?

Healey said to hold on to you sales receipts to prove that.

I'd say that is good enough since most people dont FA10 stripped lowers.

 

[Sparky1911]

Still trying to convince yourself those lowers are worth 2k.

 

[HARRYM]

Ok. Thanks Karen.

You are very welcome Socrates.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

What if a lower was never FA10'd? But, you have a bill of sale from before 2016?

Healey said to hold on to you sales receipts to prove that.

I'd say that is good enough since most people dont FA10 stripped lowers.

Haley can piss off. We are innocent until proven guilty in this country, not the other way around. It's not on you to prove that you legally possessed something prior to a date. It's on them to prove you did not.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

What if a lower was never FA10'd? But, you have a bill of sale from before 2016?

Healey said to hold on to you sales receipts to prove that.

I'd say that is good enough since most people dont FA10 stripped lowers.

What will matter is what actually gets codified in the final version of the bill. Not what Healy may have said 9 years ago. IF, in the final version of the bill, they mention proof as including a receipt, (per Healy) than yes, you would be correct. But unless that is specific, you're back too square one and just sort of hoping that if you do get jammed up someday, that detail might help thousands of dollars later.

You need to let go of the idea that Healy's edict matters in terms of this new bill. The only way it does is that it cites that as its reason for some of the amendments, but when this bill passes it will obviate the Healy notice. And that's assuming you deem the Healy notice to be actual law in the first place - it's not.

 

[Reptile]

Still trying to convince yourself those lowers are worth 2k.

They are not worth $2,000.00.

There has been a Price Boost and now they are $3,000.00.

 

[Kurtz]

Arkansas here I come.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

WTS:

Pre-1994 Colt Green Label....

15 grand

No low ball offers. I know what I got.

 

[HARRYM]

Haley can piss off. We are innocent until proven guilty in this country, not the other way around. It's not on you to prove that you legally possessed something prior to a date. It's on them to prove you did not.

I have been trying to tell you she ain't the one and to get on the Trump team, glad to see you are coming around.

 

[Reptile]

What will matter is what actually gets codified in the final version of the bill. Not what Healy may have said 9 years ago. IF, in the final version of the bill, they mention proof as including a receipt, (per Healy) than yes, you would be correct. But unless that is specific, you're back too square one and just sort of hoping that if you do get jammed up someday, that detail might help thousands of dollars later.

You need to let go of the idea that Healy's edict matters in terms of this new bill. The only way it does is that it cites that as its reason for some of the amendments, but when this bill passes it will obviate the Healy notice.

I'm willing to risk it.

I have an email from her office years ago.

I also talked to Gary Klein about it.

 

[VTski4x4]

Funny, I remember a judge saying something along the lines of "Mauras ban is completely illegal, but since she hasn't prosecuted anyone for it, there's nothing we can do"

 

[ThePreBanMan]

I have been trying to tell you she ain't the one and to get on the Trump team, glad to see you are coming around.

I think you are confusing Mara Healy, our governor and former attorney general, from Nikki Haley a presidential candidate.

I am not, nor will ever "come around" on that corrupt lying pile of dog s*** Trump.

I intend to write in DeSantis. As have consistently said here.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

I'm willing to risk it.

I have an email from her office years ago.

I also talked to Gary Klein about it.

Do as you see fit.

 

[Reptile]

Funny, I remember a judge saying something along the lines of "Mauras ban is completely illegal, but since she hasn't prosecuted anyone for it, there's nothing we can do"

Well now it WILL be legal.
Once an ACTUAL law is passed.