MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[sieveboy]

As an aside, I hate the way these d-bags wear their caps down low like they are some tough guys. They can't even see anything above their forehead - get a grip brownshirt

that Schutzstaffel MA hat thing is truly ridiculous. Can’t believe that ever became a thing after WWII

 

[42!]

I tell the truth. You are all about compromising.

So there is your compromise. Did you think it was going to play a different way?

You really are an ass with no regard for truth or accuracy. My comment about the MCOP flipping was in response to those who were naively going on about how the MCOP was supporting 2a, I was pointing out that they would turn on us the second they got their carve out, which they did. Just like you they change the story to fit themselves, regardless of the truth.
And recognizing the reality in MA, that you can't just scream 2a, repeal all gun laws, and expect to even have a seat at the table, does not mean I'm in favor of the situation, it just means I'm not a stupid child crying and expecting the world to change just because it's not what I want. Your choices in MA are bad and worse, there is no win right now. Push for change, yes, but right now the best you'll do is hold the line. there is no win option within this legislation.

 

[hunt4riches]

You really are an ass with no regard for truth or accuracy. My comment about the MCOP flipping was in response to those who were naively going on about how the MCOP was supporting 2a, I was pointing out that they would turn on us the second they got their carve out, which they did. Just like you they change the story to fit themselves, regardless of the truth.
And recognizing the reality in MA, that you can't just scream 2a, repeal all gun laws, and expect to even have a seat at the table, does not mean I'm in favor of the situation, it just means I'm not a stupid child crying and expecting the world to change just because it's not what I want. Your choices in MA are bad and worse, there is no win right now. Push for change, yes, but right now the best you'll do is hold the line. there is no win option within this legislation.

Not only are you correct, but no state ban on anything gun-related has ever been removed from the books that I am aware of. Once mags are banned, they're gone for good. Once an AWB is in place, they're gone for good. With regards to California, "On September 22, 2023, a federal judge in California held that PC 32310 – the state ban on large-capacity magazines – was unconstitutional. Though the ban will stay in place while the Ninth Circuit considers the issue. On November 30, 2021, the Ninth Circuit upheld the state ban on large-capacity magazines." Even if they get rid of that LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK!!! They were banned in 2016... it's now 2024. Your balls will turn to stone and can be polished into pretty necklace pendants before anything in this about-to-be-bullshit is passed (and I think that's your point - we agree, but there are a lot of morons in this thread that just don't get it, as you have pointed out). I don't count the federal AWB as that had a sunset clause built into it, which once bush was elected, we knew it would expire. Whether that's an exception or caveat can be discussed somewhere else.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

I see that you support safety courses which costs you nothing and you don't support Northeast Shooters which as a result also cost you nothing. Does this make you a honorary member of the free shit army?

IDK do you pay taxes and send you kids to public school? Or did you pay for your own edumacation? Remember, everything that is tax payer funded is a form of socialism. Roads, infrastructure, schools, the military, etc. You aren't a communist now then, are you, bumpkin..?

 

[EJFudd]

Unless you want a somewhat esoteric new handgun, it probably is on the roster….

Tell that to poor Mister Rhino...

 

[Roadglide]

Not only are you correct, but no state ban on anything gun-related has ever been removed from the books that I am aware of. Once mags are banned, they're gone for good. Once an AWB is in place, they're gone for good. With regards to California, "On September 22, 2023, a federal judge in California held that PC 32310 – the state ban on large-capacity magazines – was unconstitutional. Though the ban will stay in place while the Ninth Circuit considers the issue. On November 30, 2021, the Ninth Circuit upheld the state ban on large-capacity magazines." Even if they get rid of that LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK!!! They were banned in 2016... it's now 2024. Your balls will turn to stone and can be polished into pretty necklace pendants before anything in this about-to-be-bullshit is passed (and I think that's your point - we agree, but there are a lot of morons in this thread that just don't get it, as you have pointed out). I don't count the federal AWB as that had a sunset clause built into it, which once bush was elected, we knew it would expire. Whether that's an exception or caveat can be discussed somewhere else.

My non legal mind is trying to understand your point here. It’s always been my understanding in situations like these that once a law is passed like this hot garbage, it stays a law while it gets bounced around the courts. Assuming one of the big reasons they push illegal/unconstitutional garbage is they know it will stand for years before it gets sorted out if it ever does get sorted out. In other words we’re F’d.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

IDK do you pay taxes and send you kids to public school? Or did you pay for your own edumacation? Remember, everything that is tax payer funded is a form of socialism. Roads, infrastructure, schools, the military, etc. You aren't a communist now then, are you, bumpkin..?

That is not what socialism is.

 

[pastera]

Except the liberal courts are arguing that the Bruen common use test is circular and can be interpreted in any number of ways. The 1st circuit court told us that because AR15s are rarely used in self defense, they aren't in common use. By that logic, almost every gun that isn't a handgun isn't protected by the 2nd Amendment since 98% of all defensive gun use is done with a handgun.

The good thing in this is that Benitez is

Is there anything about having to report guns to an HOA if you live in one?

Sorry, in meetings all day and not sure where I can scan this info while I listen to people.

No

 

[pastera]

Not only are you correct, but no state ban on anything gun-related has ever been removed from the books that I am aware of. Once mags are banned, they're gone for good. Once an AWB is in place, they're gone for good. With regards to California, "On September 22, 2023, a federal judge in California held that PC 32310 – the state ban on large-capacity magazines – was unconstitutional. Though the ban will stay in place while the Ninth Circuit considers the issue. On November 30, 2021, the Ninth Circuit upheld the state ban on large-capacity magazines." Even if they get rid of that LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK!!! They were banned in 2016... it's now 2024. Your balls will turn to stone and can be polished into pretty necklace pendants before anything in this about-to-be-bullshit is passed (and I think that's your point - we agree, but there are a lot of morons in this thread that just don't get it, as you have pointed out). I don't count the federal AWB as that had a sunset clause built into it, which once bush was elected, we knew it would expire. Whether that's an exception or caveat can be discussed somewhere else.

How many states have legal concealed cary?
How many are permitless?
Look at today's status then look at the status decade by decade

The fight may be slow but it is being fought and won.

 

[pastera]

… you know a few Glocks are on the roster, right? Unless you want a somewhat esoteric new handgun it probably is on the roster….
Not defending them, just an observation. As noted before long guns will be a different story. Essentially any semiauto with detachable magazine would be banned.

The mass roster is such a small sunset of available guns it's laughable.
Look for any <$300 gun on that list.
How many are there on the list versus gun broker or Buds GS?

Now tell me that no one wants those guns so it doesn't matter.

 

[HARRYM]

Dude, no one here is voting Democrat. I agree we need to retake the house and the Senate. But like we saw in 2020, candidate quality matters. In Pennsylvania they voted for a brain dead senator over the Trump endorsed alternative. They voted for an actually dead house rep over the Trump endorsed alternative. Sarah Palin, the Trump endorsed candidate for the house in Alaska, lost to a Democrat in one of the reddest states in the country. 2 faced Keri Lake, the self-proclaimed Republican, who previously was a Democrat supporting conservative stalwalts like John Kerry and Barack Obama, lost in Arizona. You talk the talk about winning back the house and the Senate. Are you willing to walk the walk and nominate candidates that can win in the primary? That is yet to be seen.

There seems to be a wing within the Republican Party that demands 100% purity to one person's ideals and will tear down anyone not conforming. Many of those people are now represented in Congress by Democrats. I wonder if they feel like that worked out well for them.

You would be surprised at how many closeted Blue Lever Pullers there are out there.....

 

[Joeldiaz]

The good thing in this is that Benitez is

We don’t have a Judge Benitez here in MA

 

[EJFudd]

You would be surprised at how many closeted Blue Lever Pullers there are out there.....

Sad, but true.

 

[pastera]

We don’t have a Judge Benitez here in MA

Case law is informative and his decisions are written like a template for others to base their own arguments on.

The 9th's only argument against his opinions is "because we say so".
Hell, they are asking why "in common use" is not restricted to only California guns since the ban is a Cali law in order to strike down St Benitez.

 

[EJFudd]

The mass roster is such a small subset of available guns it's laughable.
Look for any <$300 gun on that list.
How many are there on the list versus gun broker or Buds GS?

Now tell me that no one wants those guns so it doesn't matter.

The craziest part is that the whole supposed purpose of the "Approved Roster" is a political falsehood.

Safety... safety... safety? Bullshit! It's all about keeping our choices to an absolute minimum in order to discourage gun ownership.

 

[HARRYM]

The craziest part is that the whole supposed purpose of the "Approved Roster" is a political falsehood.

Safety... safety... safety? Bullshit! It's all about keeping our choices to an absolute minimum in order to discourage gun ownership.

What makes me ill is that I know they are just getting started, much worse is yet to come.

 

[Broc Tuah]

What makes me ill is that I know they are just getting started, much worse is yet to come.

Yes. When they "grandfather" guns and most of NES rushes to register their lowers, they will come after those registered guns.

 

[alx]

The mass roster is such a small sunset of available guns it's laughable.
Look for any <$300 gun on that list.
How many are there on the list versus gun broker or Buds GS?

Now tell me that no one wants those guns so it doesn't matter.

Oh, agreed. I am not saying that the handgun roster is good although to be honest as long as the competition pistols are allowed having a pistol roster really only bothers me on 2A principle .
My observation was towards the poster that said Glocks will be (again) unobtainable to which I mused that Glocks are on the roster and most likely not going anywhere. That is all.

On a separate note - A sub-$300 pistol? Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to such?

 

[AJK129]

Yes. When they "grandfather" guns and most of NES rushes to register their lowers, they will come after those registered guns.

Come register them in person at Honeypot Orchards for your free grandfathering

 

[Broc Tuah]

Oh, agreed. I am not saying that the handgun roster is good although to be honest as long as the competition pistols are allowed having a pistol roster really only bothers me on 2A principle .
My observation was towards the poster that said Glocks will be (again) unobtainable to which I mused that Glocks are on the roster and most likely not going anywhere. That is all.

On a separate note - A sub-$300 pistol? Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to the such?

1 - you need to learn how the roster works.
2 - glad you don't care because the gun you shoot is on the roster. That is a very FUDD comment.

By the way, not all competition pistols are on the roster.

 

[hunt4riches]

How many states have legal concealed cary?
How many are permitless?
Look at today's status then look at the status decade by decade

The fight may be slow but it is being fought and won.

I'm talking about the laws regarding sales/ownership/possession/etc. CA, WA, IL, MD, VT, NY, CT, RI, MA and anyone else I'm forgetting.

 

[alx]

1 - you need to learn how the roster works.
2 - glad you don't care because the gun you shoot is on the roster. That is a very FUDD comment.

By the way, not all competition pistols are on the roster.

I looked it up and I learned something about the Atty General. I thought all guns on roster are ok. Appears they are not.
Thank you

 

[hunt4riches]

My non legal mind is trying to understand your point here. It’s always been my understanding in situations like these that once a law is passed like this hot garbage, it stays a law while it gets bounced around the courts. Assuming one of the big reasons they push illegal/unconstitutional garbage is they know it will stand for years before it gets sorted out if it ever does get sorted out. In other words we’re F’d.

That was my point - whatever they pass, you are stuck with for at least 8-10 years.

 

[Taipan01]

Oh, agreed. I am not saying that the handgun roster is good although to be honest as long as the competition pistols are allowed having a pistol roster really only bothers me on 2A principle .
My observation was towards the poster that said Glocks will be (again) unobtainable to which I mused that Glocks are on the roster and most likely not going anywhere. That is all.

On a separate note - A sub-$300 pistol? Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to such?

Well, how about if you're in a situation where $300.00 is a lot of money but yet you want a firearm to protect yourself and family. Add in the costs of licensing and the classes you need to take and it gets somewhat overwhelming. Not everyone here drives around in a Bently and smokes $50.00 dollar cigars. Besides that, there are a few interesting guns in the $300.00 range. But then again, who really cares about the poor anyway and the places they tend to dwell right.

So far your posts are batting a thousand.

 

[HARRYM]

Call me Paranoid but no doubt in my mind they want every gun on the can't own list. Approved lists are just saying relax, we ain't after you......yet...........

 

[Grendizer138]

It’s neither here nor there at this point, but the cops’ opposition to the House bill was more about not wanting the additional workload or responsibility than getting exemptions. Most cops aren’t “gun guys,” but they are notoriously lazy.

Know your enemy.

I still think an organized resistance should be contacting individual departments for records’ sake if nothing else, but whatevs.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

You would be surprised at how many closeted Blue Lever Pullers there are out there on NES .....

FTFY

 

[HARRYM]

FTFY

It's painful.....

 

[alx]

Well, how about if you're in a situation where $300.00 is a lot of money but yet you want a firearm to protect yourself and family. Add in the costs of licensing and the classes you need to take and it gets somewhat overwhelming. Not everyone here drives around in a Bently and smokes $50.00 dollar cigars. Besides that, there are a few interesting guns in the $300.00 range. But then again, who really cares about the poor anyway and the places they tend to dwell right.

So far your posts are batting a thousand.

If you think that $600 gun and the cost of classes and licensing is overwhelming - we agree to disagree. Money are not what they used to be and if such a sum is problematic for you- I hate to tell you but you have other bigger (and more existential) issues. No, I am not being elitist- just observing how folks live and what they spend their money on. Edit: When I say "you" I dont mean you in particular. I thought this was quite obvious due to the fact that none of us in this thread have -one- or -no- guns due to financial constraints.

The posture of an individual on a subject is a ratio of (perceived) direct personal impact vs. community impact/ principle. That ratio is different for different folks. In my previous messages I have shown the personal impact on me (very small). Now lets talk about the other number of the ratio- my take on the public impact. I am doing all I can to slow down the erosion of our rights - I am a heavy donor to GOAL and COMM2A and I have called and written to my local representatives. I have trained countless number of new gun owners on how to leave the range with the same number of holes they got in with and how to be responsible owners. I am a certified USPSA official and I actively volunteer at matches (btw, Area 7 registration for 2024 is open- do sign up!!!). So yeah- I am doing my part. So see? looks can be deceiving. There are a few folks here that know me in real life and they know I am prolly the opposite of a fudd guy

BUT

That does not change what is coming. Lets be real. No amount of donating, calling, writing or picketing the Hill will change that. The only way we can win this in the great state of MA is through protracted and expensive litigation. And to flame me for for that statement and if anybody thinks otherwise is just a sign of having unrealistic expectations.

How this is going to go is we will buy all the guns we want/ can before Aug 1st or whatever date it is and then we will fight this in court for many years in hopes that we reverse the bill. This is how it will go if you choose to be a law- abiding citizen. Be realistic.

My 2 cents

 

[mothybee]

If you thought we would get a fair chance at this bill; you probably think you’ll get a fair trial, laws will be interpreted fairly and uniformly…………..and artificial sweeteners are safe and Anna Nicole married for love.

That look the FBI agent gave the old guy became something different by the end of the movie. We are there.

I truly believe with all my heart she did, I love money too.