MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Agnotology]

Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem
By the sword we seek peace, but peace only under liberty.

Remember when people in this country lived by those words?

 

[milktree]

The thing that makes this whole charade so obviously an undemocratic farce is the fact that they have to rush it through without input.

Let's assume for a moment that they honestly believe that these measures will save lives and increase public safety and all that. We know they just have a giant hard-on for banning guns at any cost, but let's pretend.

If they honestly believed that, the bills would stand on their own, and withstand all sorts of criticism and public hearings and extended debates and assaults with data. But they don't do that, because any sort of sunlight on the process would reveal how much hoplophobic virtue signaling idiocy it is.

Any argument or position that requires lies or deceit to support it is indefensible.

 

[Roadglide]

The thing that makes this whole charade so obviously an undemocratic farce is the fact that they have to rush it through without input.

Let's assume for a moment that they honestly believe that these measures will save lives and increase public safety and all that. We know they just have a giant hard-on for banning guns at any cost, but let's pretend.

If they honestly believed that, the bills would stand on their own, and withstand all sorts of criticism and public hearings and extended debates and assaults with data. But they don't do that, because any sort of sunlight on the process would reveal how much hoplophobic virtue signaling idiocy it is.

Any argument or position that requires lies or deceit to support it is indefensible.

The number of people in this country who don’t understand this is astounding

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

what a crock of ****.

 

[Agnotology]

"we listen to the public"

f*** that, Quabbin is standing proof of that.

 

[milktree]

"we listen to the public"

I'm sure they do. They listen to what gun confiscationists say and do that, and listen to the 2A rights supporters say and do the opposite.

They're not asking, "what do you think?" they're asking, "how can we hurt you the most?"

 

[p..]

Cynthia Creem advising not to delay the vote, saying everything has already been heard except for some of the most recent amendments. "We have listened, listened, as we always do." "I urge you to move ahead with this bill."

Bruce Tarr up now. "It is appropriate that we would use the mechanism that would normally be used for this..."

Karen Spilka just voice voted not to delay the vote for time to allow public comment.

 

[moonpup]

not looking good...

 

[Jason m]

Lots of no's.....

 

[silversquirrel]

Dems Voting down Tarrs motion to send bill to public safety etc.
And Cream said the House public hearing marathon was good enough.

 

[wmassregulators]

lets just for laughs put a big valve on the Quabbin reservoir and shut it off for a month or so

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Holy Crap Montigny voted yes

 

[wildwest]

not sure if my phone or the audio just keeps cutting out.

 

[Agnotology]

How is the live stream this bad? Audio cut outs. There should be nothing cut out.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I must have missed something, I thought I read Crackpot say earlier in this thread that it amended Chapter 140, Guess it doesn't really matter as its all a steaming pile of shit.

In this case, both are true.

It amends the House bill by replacing its text entirely. It then proceeds to amend the current laws.

The House bill proposed to replace c140 in its entirety.

Unfortunately, if you read this closely, it only exempts these from the "copies and duplicates test" not from being an Assault Weapon. If they kept the current law otherwise intact this would be the case, but they've added other tests for assault weapons to this bill that this doesn't interact well with.

These could still fail the new "Semi-automatic version of an automatic weapon test" or the "once and assault weapon always an assault weapon if it was originally manufactured as an assault weapon (i.e. no compliance work allowed)." Even amendment #69 is a grandfather that carves out only the "copies and duplicates test". It does not grandfather in all weapons before 2016 if they fail another new test.

Thank you, this is an important clarification.

 

[kevin9]

BOHICA

On a side note, the change in stance by MCOPA may also be related to their change in leadership in December 2023 from Chief Fowler of Salisbury to Chief Gillis of Agawam,

 

[richc]

If this bill passes might as well rename the website northeastfelons.com...

 

[dukeofsoul]

Any grandfathering included?

 

[Agnotology]

They are already starting the backpatting before the vote comes through.

Holy f***. I'm going for a drink. 13 years on the wagon is enough for me.

 

[The Ugly]

Kangaroo Court

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

"the senate respects the 2nd amendment"........ i guess they think if they say that lie enough it will be true.

 

[VTski4x4]

They are already starting the backpatting before the vote comes through.

Holy f***. I'm going for a drink. 13 years on the wagon is enough for me.

Don't break sobriety over this. Keep your powder and your mind dry.

 

[Agnotology]

"we respect the 2nd amendment."

Oh look. a Domestic threat.

 

[p..]

Creem's victory speech is killing me.

 

[not new guy]

How’s her lipstick?

 

[Agnotology]

Don't break sobriety over this. Keep your powder and your mind dry.

Sobriety was a choice. Same as imbibing now is. I think I know why my gun club drinks so much.

 

[DJBrad]

What a nob


1. We hate the 2nd Amendment
2. We gave a carve out to Law Enforcement
3. We hate brown people and they shouldn’t own guns

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

what if its just 1 guy with a lot of guns?

 

[richc]

They are already starting the backpatting before the vote comes through.

Holy f***. I'm going for a drink. 13 years on the wagon is enough for me.

I hope you're not serious... but please don't.

You'll want to keep your wits about you with all the $hit that's going on...

 

[Reptile]

Glock Switches...

1,200 rounds per minute!!!

How disingenuous can she be???