MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Picton]

The problem is, it may not affect what we own but will affect what we can buy and will likely have negative impacts on dealers, so there is still a mountain of suck to it.

I'm not saying it's awesome.

I'm saying that within our capabilities, it's our duty to noncomply.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

their definition of brief is clearly different from everyone else

 

[bigbravehog]

We need "The Michigan Man"

 

[Spartan65]

This thing passed yet?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

This thing passed yet?

not even close... too busy taking "brief" recesses

 

[EDD]

Does anyone know the amendment numbers for grandfathering…. The people have me confused as hell

Amendment S.2572

malegislature.gov

All the amendments and status of them.

 

[VTski4x4]

I'm surprised so many are withdrawn. I figured they would slam dunk everything down our throats.

 

[Woodsloafer]

I'm not saying it's awesome.

I'm saying that within our capabilities, it's our duty to noncomply.

I understand and agree but non-compliance only goes so far. For example, I have all the guns and ammo I need or even want at this point in my life, but younger people or people new to or not in the hobby for long are frucked, non-compliance is going to affect their ability to buy many firearms, which, of course, is part of their goal, i.e., to reduce the number of firearms brought into and sold in the state (which will negatively affect dealers, also one of their goals).

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

I'm curious why they put #69 on hold. Its a technical amendment by the Bill's author.

 

[Spartan65]

I'm surprised so many are withdrawn. I figured they would slam dunk everything down our throats.

Did you read those that were withdrawn? Most of them made it clear that the author had zero legal knowledge.

 

[Retsambew]

AWB conjecture

Ok, this is not fully baked but I think the general logic is sound.

The Senate bill has no grandfathering of post 94 assault weapons. So you can have a gun that was purchased legally that suddenly becomes illegal with the passage of S2572.

The House similarly had the same issue with their first version of the bill. Leadership there was concerned that this would fail constitutionally and as a result they could lose the entire AWB (discussed later)

The Senate may or may not amend S2572 to address this. If they do not, it seems likely that in conference with the house it will have to get added given that the house leadership understands the need.

Why is no grandfathering a problem for the gun grabbers? You can decide whether the 4th, 5th or 14th amendment applies. Making lawfully acquired property unlawful with the passing of a law without proper compensation (independent of this being about guns) tends to land one in hot water. If/when a federal court decides this is unconstitutional, what can they do? They cannot roll back the law to a previous version. They cannot rewrite the law themselves or otherwise modify it. What they do is strike it down (maybe enjoining it first from enforcement while the parties argue it out). So what are they striking down? MGL 140 131M, the part of MGL that makes it a felony to possess an assault weapon. There goes the entire AWB. Gone. All because they failed to grandfather what we already have.

If I could predict the future, I would have already won Powerball for $1.5B and not still be living in MA. But I do think we will see a grandfather clause before this gets enacted, whether put in by the Senate, the House or when they reconcile.

They just did it in Rhode Island with magazine capacity restrictions. Zero compensation. Don’t be naive, we’re in the end game now and logic no longer applies.

 

[kro77]

I think magazine are viewed more as a consumable versus the firearm.. I dont agree with that shit, but that was the sales pitch. Just exhausting as it is death by a thousand paper cuts.

 

[VTski4x4]

Did you read those that were withdrawn? Most of them made it clear that the author had zero legal knowledge.

If they had any legal knowledge, or gave a f*** about the law, this bill would have been DOA.

 

[dukeofsoul]

So when this goes through when will this go back to the house and then on to Healy? Basically, how long do I have between now and going to the store? Is this a month's long process?

 

[Reptile]

Brief recess.

 

[Bmcl322]

I'm curious why they put #69 on hold. Its a technical amendment by the Bill's author.

The language leaves heaps of gun owners as felons 2016 till now..... Maybe trying to hash out with #11 & 23? Less worried about us - more worried about Litigation down the road.

 

[Night_solstice]

I understand and agree but non-compliance only goes so far. For example, I have all the guns and ammo I need or even want at this point in my life, but younger people or people new to or not in the hobby for long are frucked, non-compliance is going to affect their ability to buy many firearms, which, of course, is part of their goal, i.e., to reduce the number of firearms brought into and sold in the state (which will negatively affect dealers, also one of their goals).

*drive up to the corner and give your signal, and wait for the front man to approach* "Hey man...whatcho need? Oxy, heroin, speed, 10 round mag, night sights?...maybe a lower?"

 

[DeadEyeDan]

Mill was crowded yesterday when I was there.


I’ll be in line on Sunday also

I was also at KAG yesterday… were you the guy picking up the Barrett?

 

[Thirsty Grief]

Looks like #23 is withdrawn.

The language leaves heaps of gun owners as felons 2016 till now..... Maybe trying to hash out with #11 & 23? Less worried about us - more worried about Litigation down the road.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

and thats why it took so long, they combined 11 and basically 69.

 

[PFG]

2016 grandfather...

 

[Sparky1911]

Rejoice @Reptile they added your 2016 amendment. Now those lowers are 4k

 

[CrackPot]

The ammendment regarding SBRs being considered AW got removed. Interesting

@CrackPotView attachment 845702

Once an assault weapon always an assault weapon. So this was redundant with that clause so makes no sense

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

now what does this mean for the MCX and Tavor rifles? They werent considered copycats or duplicates if i recall. Im assuming that loophole has been closed. Are all post 2016 rifles now retroactively illegal even though they werent illegal after the guidance?

 

[Reptile]

Grandfathering!!!

 

[Spartan65]

now what does this mean for the MCX and Tavor rifles? They werent considered copycats or duplicates if i recall. Im assuming that loophole has been closed. Are all post 2016 rifles now retroactively illegal even though they werent illegal after the guidance?

Read the thread. They are discussed.

 

[vcman]

What is 11?

 

[Darkslide]

So anything post 2016 is banned?

 

[kalash]

So when this goes through when will this go back to the house and then on to Healy? Basically, how long do I have between now and going to the store? Is this a month's long process?

I would assume at least a few weeks but you know what they say about assuming. Just a WAG here that the House and the Senate won't play perfectly nice with each other so they won't get anything in front of Maura for a little while.

 

[Sparky1911]

Looks like 111 allows anything registered in state prior to the bill passage