MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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VTski4x4 said:
Maybe some folks want to understand what exactly is happening, minute by minute? Everyone here knows this is absolute unconstitutional buttf***ery and we are watching in real time as they push us one step closer to disarmament and the gulag (jokes we fight first). I'm probably one of the loudest anti-state wack jobs on here, but I still want to know exactly all ways I'm a felon in the making - that whole know your enemy and their strategy thing. If you think I'm pants shitting over BuT mY RiFlE - you're mistaken.
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I’m talking about the guys that are asking “hey is my [enter their rifle] legal?” They don’t really care about any of this beyond how it personally affects them.

Yes, I want to know what will make me a felon. I’ll add it to the list.
 
dukeofsoul said:
Thanks man. I'm just trying to figure out what is what. I'm not trying to fight the gov't, just want to protect my home. And something that should be as easy as just walking in and getting what you want and shouldn't be a big deal is being overcomplicated and dictated by the state. It's insane I've been waiting for my ltc for like three months. It's insane I have to check and see if I can simply purchase the firearm I want.
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Not to sound like a instigator, but you should be fighting the .gov. They do not want you to be self reliant. They do not want you to be able to protect your home.

This process is the shining example of that. They want you beholden to them.

Do what you feel is right and what you feel comfortable with, the blue coats of today are the red coats of the past.
 
2ndArmament said:
You getting a commission from the mill or something? lol
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Nope.

When states have moved to make 30 round magazines illegal Magpul has shipped truckloads of pmags to those states for free and handed them out on the statehouse steps. This is that same spirit. If they want to ban them we make them common.

Just the same as the founders. Remember what started the American revolution? The red coats coming to take arms at Lexington and concord.

This story starts in Littleton, just a stones throw.

www.americanrevolutioninstitute.org

A Revolution in Arms: Weapons in the War for Independence - The American Revolution Institute

The exhibition "A Revolution in Arms" examines the weapons used by American troops during the Revolutionary War and their importance to the achievement of independence.
www.americanrevolutioninstitute.org www.americanrevolutioninstitute.org
 
Hombiez said:
Maybe a dumb take, but I'm not sure this actually makes everything post 2016 illegal. Seems to just make it super 110% legal for anyone that owned a pre July 20th 2016.

In the definition of assault weapons it enumerates the exceptions and we've now added "any weapon lawfully possessed in the Commonwealth prior to the passage of this act" - so if you lawfully owned it prior to this act, you're good right?

The other part just describes an exception to the copies and duplicates test that I think is basically meaningless based on the above.

In other words if you were tried on this they would need to prove that you unlawfully owned your post 2016 rifle PRIOR to the passage of this act, and the only way to do that is to apply the old law. Basically to me this comes down to whether the enforcement notice is currently a valid interpretation.

Again, this might be a super dumb take, but I don't think this necessarily moves the grandfather back to 2016.
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This is how I understood it as well.
 
MAJoe said:
11.1 doesn’t have the 7/20 date.
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Amendment ID: S2572-11.1
Further Amendment 11.1
Legacy Clause
Ms. Creem and Messrs. Tarr and Montigny move that the amendment be amended by striking out the text thereof and inserting in place thereof the following:-
in section 3, by striking out, in lines 115 to 117, inclusive, the words “and provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- “provided further, that a weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016; provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller, unless it has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated as a semiautomatic assault weapon; and provided further, that the previous proviso shall not apply to copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause (i) that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016”.
 
scott-o said:
Yea but, this is the definition of ex post facto. Is it not?
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No, because the offense of continuing to possess would be after the law passed.

Ex post facto is a law like "Having possesses a stripped lower that was post 1994 back in 2005 when it was legal is now a crime, and you can be prosecuted for it even if you got rid of the lower in 2006".
 
Cavpilot2k said:
Well, lucky you to not be put in a difficult position with principles on one side and providing for your family on the other. Not everyone is in such a fortunate place.
I, for one, won't vilify a cop who doesn't walk up to his chief and call him a fascist and a communist and quit his job. I doubt many keyboard warriors on this board would have the stones to do it either if push came to shove, much less "1775!".
Again, I live in the real world.
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But will you villify that same cop when he says ‘Sorry, just following orders so I can get my paycheck and retirement?

Because at that point, you are FUC*ED and he doesn’t care!
 
EDD said:
Amendment ID: S2572-11.1
Further Amendment 11.1
Legacy Clause
Ms. Creem and Messrs. Tarr and Montigny move that the amendment be amended by striking out the text thereof and inserting in place thereof the following:-
in section 3, by striking out, in lines 115 to 117, inclusive, the words “and provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller” and inserting in place thereof the following words:- “provided further, that a weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016; provided further, that if a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller, unless it has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated as a semiautomatic assault weapon; and provided further, that the previous proviso shall not apply to copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause (i) that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016”.
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Got it. Thanks. The link on the amendment history for 11 and 11.1 both go to 11.
 
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With public affairs consultants (lobbyists) who focus specifically on the Legislative lobbying going for about $10k/mo in Boston I don't see why we couldn't, organized through GOAL, retain at least two or three firms (one of which could employ a former speaker or Senate President) to lobby the House and Senate on gun policy.

Whether we like it or not, we're perceived as extremists and crazies by Legislative members and their staff. While our arguments are logical, based on the constitution, fundamental rights, they would be best delivered by those who are "in the system".

Love the work that GOAL does and would happily donate hundreds/year if they took an approach like this. Having worked with my share of lobbyists I can tell you that they have incredible influence. It's shitty, but it's the reality that we live with.

Just a thought...
 
As much as I don't want to give her credit, Chuckles isn't completely stupid. I have a feeling she is going to look at this, see what @CrackPot sees regarding a taking, and all the amendment violations, and say some things need to be changed. In all of their excitement and power drunk cheering, I don't think they grasp the can of worms they actually opened.
 
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