MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[MainelyFree]

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Where was this beauty on 7/20/16?

 

[DW357]

They don’t really care about any of this beyond how it personally affects them.

Very annoying and frustrating to read

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

As much as I don't want to give her credit, Chuckles isn't completely stupid. I have a feeling she is going to look at this, see what @CrackPot sees regarding a taking, and all the amendment violations, and say some things need to be changed. In all of their excitement and power drunk cheering, I don't think they grasp the can of worms they actually opened.

Sen. Tarr told them as much. I think they know. I think they are counting on emotions trumping logic when it gets to the courts.

 

[Goliathan]

Sen. Tarr told them as much. I think they know. I think they are counting on emotions trumping logic when it gets to the courts.

Courts around here are happy to bend over backward in favor of emotional pleas.

 

[VTski4x4]

Sen. Tarr told them as much. I think they know. I think they are counting on emotions trumping logic when it gets to the courts.

We saw how well that played out for NY with Bruen.

 

[Goliathan]

We saw how well that played out for NY with Bruen.

SCOTUS could look like anything by the time any of this gets there.

 

[VTski4x4]

SCOTUS could look like anything by the time any of this gets there.

There's other cases that could get there first that could work out even better for us.

 

[Goliathan]

There's other cases that could get there first that could work out even better for us.

Here's hoping

 

[p..]

Magic 8 ball says 11.1 gets turned to 11.2 so they don't lose the whole bill. Wishful thinking that this whole mess is getting canned.

The sheer nerve of Senator Spilka to not hold this up for a public comment period when we know her phones were ringing off the hook on this.

 

[KAG Arms]

To grift and take your money to be ineffective. FPC, 2nd amendment foundation, NAGR and like should have been priority.


Goal was a distraction a money suck. The NRA strikes again. Hood winked. Show me the vicotories there are NONE!

Don't forget NAAGA. After all I'm African.

 

[Picton]

Maybe some folks want to understand what exactly is happening, minute by minute? Everyone here knows this is absolute unconstitutional buttf***ery and we are watching in real time as they push us one step closer to disarmament and the gulag (jokes we fight first). I'm probably one of the loudest anti-state wack jobs on here, but I still want to know exactly all ways I'm a felon in the making - that whole know your enemy and their strategy thing. If you think I'm pants shitting over BuT mY RiFlE - you're mistaken.

But the thing is? "What exactly is happening, minute by minute?" It's meaningless. It's verbiage. It'll be changed when it gets reconciled with the House, then it might or might not become better or worse or whatever.

Nobody has those answers you seek tonight. So, truly, just kick back and relax.

But there most assuredly are SOME posters here who really do just care about THEIR STUFF. I have little patience for them.

 

[Broc Tuah]

He was talking about me.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Magic 8 ball says 11.1 gets turned to 11.2 so they don't lose the whole bill.

Devils Advocate - The smart thing to do would be a straight grandfather, remove the 94 exception and make it pre (insert date passage). But they are dumb and arrogant enough to stick to the 2016 date.

 

[scott-o]

Numerous levels of frustration here of course the existing law is garbage, as is the proposed law changes.

But they are proposing a second layer, specific to the commonwealth. While legislation has the power to create and remove laws it also creates and kills jobs in the process.

You have 20+ years of standing law that individuals have built businesses around that law, and invested their time, money into around this law set specifically.
- Gun smith working compliance.
- Guy doing cerakotes and accesorizing tacticool builds.
- Trainers / Licensing
- Law Seminars
- Specialty gun shops
- You name it.

This is just as frustrating as the legal threat to each of your pieces of property, if not more, it is someones livelyhood. Imagine being in their shoes too.

 

[Reptile]

But the thing is? "What exactly is happening, minute by minute?" It's meaningless. It's verbiage. It'll be changed when it gets reconciled with the House, then it might or might not become better or worse or whatever.

Nobody has those answers you seek tonight. So, truly, just kick back and relax.

But there most assuredly are SOME posters here who really do just care about THEIR STUFF. I have little patience for them.

If you are referring to me and a few lowers - I don’t care about them more than I do future builds.

 

[drgrant]

Most MA gun owners:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/5MTnPHzmXus?si=a32ttQzUY0-q8p8e

 

[OCB]

When this goes to conference committee, do we know who those members will be?

 

[Broc Tuah]

If you stop posting and actually read what others have said you'd f***ing have your answer 3 pages ago.
f***ing chill, dude.

Way to focus on the wrong shit.

Dude is just furiously fapping at the thought of selling his lowers to some fool for $3K.

I have no respect for people like that.

 

[drgrant]

I want post 2016 ARs to be legal too.

I’m looking at the big picture not just a few pre Healey Noveskes.

I want answers.

Yes or No.

Are pre 2024 AR lowers legal?

Dumb it down for me.

You will get your answer when whatever the pile of shit is passes.

 

[vcman]

Dude is just furiously fapping at the thought of selling his lowers to some fool for $3K.

I have no respect for people like that.

Your price gonabe 2.9k then?

 

[Goliathan]

When this goes to conference committee, do we know who those members will be?

Not yet, but when we learn the names it'll give us a clue as to how it'll go.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Numerous levels of frustration here of course the existing law is garbage, as is the proposed law changes.

But they are proposing a second layer, specific to the commonwealth. While legislation has the power to create and remove laws it also creates and kills jobs in the process.

You have 20+ years of standing law that individuals have built businesses around that law, and invested their time, money into around this law set specifically.
- Gun smith working compliance.
- Guy doing cerakotes and accesorizing tacticool builds.
- Trainers / Licensing
- Law Seminars
- Specialty gun shops
- You name it.

This is just as frustrating as the legal threat to each of your pieces of property, if not more, it is someones livelyhood. Imagine being in their shoes too.

Yup, I feel much worse for the ramifications to the dealers, etc. than I do for myself.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

That was a tense 6-8 page read. Caught up now and definitely not hyperventilating. Phew!!!

 

[DJBrad]

The bill passage appears like this to me…..

 

[Picton]

But they are dumb and arrogant enough to stick to the 2016 date.

I think the House is unlikely to let that through. Mariano is not an idiot, unfortunately.

 

[Goliathan]

That was a tense 6-8 page read. Caught up now and definitely not hyperventilating. Phew!!!

You're not?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Not yet, but when we learn the names it'll give us a clue as to how it'll go.

does it matter the names? It will be 4 democrats and 2 Republicans.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

Personally, I do not understand how they can say that a firearm purchased (or built) before 2016 is legal, but a firearm purchased (or built) after 2016 is illegal when the law never changed.

The laws never changed. Either all firearms are legal post 1994 or they are all illegal. To me, there is no grey area. The law is the law.

I know not everyone likes this type of music, but I have been playing this song all day (I have had a few adult beverages today).


View: https://youtu.be/mZBP9Dau590?si=zpkT5ojI6AB__TTl

 

[scott-o]

Personally, I do not understand how they can say that a firearm purchased (or built) before 2016 is legal, but a firearm purchased (or built) after 2016 is illegal when the law never changed.

The laws never changed. Either all firearms are legal post 1994 or they are all illegal. To me, there is no grey area. The law is the law.

I know not everyone likes this type of music, but I have been playing this song all day (I have had a few adult beverages today).


View: https://youtu.be/mZBP9Dau590?si=zpkT5ojI6AB__TTl

Did you not read the FAQ?

or the EMAIL saying you could still build them out if you purchased prior?

Laws, Emails, FAQs, same thing. Right Maura?
IANAL, Didn't go to law school but did configure the PCs inside UMASS LAW when they opened it, close enough.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

sent a message off to FPC, I'm sure they know or will know about this tomorrow, but the sooner they start looking at this and getting their challenge ready. The better.