MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

You're not?

 

[n1heu]

No need to overthink. If you love your country, have strong beliefs, and own firearms, you're a felon.

Spoken like a right wing extremist.

 

[chris_1001]

Chris is retarded and can’t be fixed. He lacks all
Social skills.


For the record I don’t use that word. Ever.

For the record I’m not that Chris either…

#notthosechris’s

 

[Goliathan]

does it matter the names? It will be 4 democrats and 2 Republicans.

Yeah, it would. I can think of a few names I'd very much not like to have at that table.

 

[not new guy]

Personally, I do not understand how they can say that a firearm purchased (or built) before 2016 is legal, but a firearm purchased (or built) after 2016 is illegal when the law never changed.

The laws never changed. Either all firearms are legal post 1994 or they are all illegal. To me, there is no grey area. The law is the law.

I know not everyone likes this type of music, but I have been playing this song all day (I have had a few adult beverages today).


View: https://youtu.be/mZBP9Dau590?si=zpkT5ojI6AB__TTl

It’s a new law so they can make it say whatever they want.

 

[Reptile]

Did you not read the FAQ?

or the EMAIL saying you could still build them out if you purchased prior?

Laws, Emails, FAQs, same thing. Right Maura?
IANAL, Didn't go to law school but did configure the PCs inside UMASS LAW when they opened it, close enough.

She says they can be built out if lawfully possessed.

The new law says they have to have been registered back then, too.

This discrepancy needs to be rectified.

The Elephant in the room is what they expect us to do with post 2016 AR lowers.

 

[chris_1001]

I want answers.

Yes or No.

Are pre 2024 AR lowers legal?

Dumb it down for me.

 

[pinefd]

At one point I had heard mention that this bill would do away with non-resident licenses. But I haven't heard anything about that lately. Is that still a possibility...if it ever was?


Frank

 

[BostonVI]

The Elephant in the room is what they expect us to do with post 2016 AR lowers.

Build them into functional rifles (if you havent already) and go train with them regularly. We wouldn't be "well regulated" otherwise.

[Edit]
In fact, I should by that damn lower off of you and build it out just to spite this bs.

 

[Reptile]

BIG PROBLEM:

Healey said .22 LR AR rifles are exempt.

Now, those ARs are assault weapons???

BS!!!

 

[Junior314]

She says they can be built out if lawfully possessed.

The new law says they have to have been registered back then, too.

This discrepancy needs to be rectified.

The Elephant in the room is what they expect us to do with post 2016 AR lowers.

Who gives a f***?

 

[AJK129]

BIG PROBLEM:

Healey said .22 LR AR rifles are exempt.

Now, those ARs are assault weapons???

BS!!!

Go get some fresh air, take the ruckus for a ride or something

 

[Woodsloafer]

She says they can be built out if lawfully possessed.

The new law says they have to have been registered back then, too.

This discrepancy needs to be rectified.

The Elephant in the room is what they expect us to do with post 2016 AR lowers.

Dude, there's a lot more ramifications to a bunch of guns sold after 2016 than just AR lowers if this goes through without any grandfathering. Don't worry about any of it until you have to worry about it, your wasting your time and mental bandwith until then.

 

[kalash]

She says they can be built out if lawfully possessed.

The new law says they have to have been registered back then, too.

Statute of limitations for "registering" (whatever that means) is long past on anything from 2016 so this seems kind of moot anyways.

 

[Reptile]

Dude, there's a lot more ramifications to a bunch of guns sold after 2016 than just AR lowers if this goes through without any grandfathering.

Good!

They’ll be tied up in court forever!

If everything is illegal then nothing is illegal.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Statute of limitations for "registering" (whatever that means) is long past on anything from 2016 so this seems kind of moot anyways.

Good point.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

It’s a new law so they can make it say whatever they want.

Not really. Either all post 94 firearms are legal, or none are. The Law never changed.

If they want to make people felons, it has to be all or none, as the law dictates.

We all know, they do not care about the laws, as commies will be commies.

 

[Bmcl322]

BIG PROBLEM:

Healey said .22 LR AR rifles are exempt.

Now, those ARs are assault weapons???

BS!!!

So, a S&W M&P AR15-22 in .22lr is an Assault Rifle????? Ha???? Are we sure of that?

 

[Joeldiaz]

At one point I had heard mention that this bill would do away with non-resident licenses. But I haven't heard anything about that lately. Is that still a possibility...if it ever was?


Frank

That was in the House version of the bill, not the Senate.

 

[CrackPot]

It reads to me like both are adopted, hence the (further) underneath. So both are adopted?

Parliamentary procedure. Amendment 11 was amended with the text shown in 11.1. Voted and approved. Then 11 voted and approved as amended just like it shows.

The language is 11.1

 

[Reptile]

So, a S&W M&P AR15-22 in .22lr is an Assault Rifle????? Ha???? Are we sure of that?

No, I mean the Healey FAQ exemption about building up AR15 lowers into .22 LR.

 

[CrackPot]

So, a S&W M&P AR15-22 in .22lr is an Assault Rifle????? Ha???? Are we sure of that?

If after 7/20/16 illegal. If compliance work done on it then illegal. Amendment 11 as amended with 11.1 is insane

 

[chris_1001]

No, I mean the Healey FAQ exemption about building up AR15 lowers into .22 LR.

Go take a break, bang your lingerie model g/f or a fleshlight, your choice and come back in a day or two. None of this is sorted yet.

Pant shit and give it a rest…

 

[CrackPot]

"shall not apply to copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016"

So say I have a 2014 ar. I can un-neuter it now?

No. It is not a copy or duplicate of an enumerated weapon. It is still subject to the feature test.

 

[CrackPot]

Devils Advocate - The smart thing to do would be a straight grandfather, remove the 94 exception and make it pre (insert date passage). But they are dumb and arrogant enough to stick to the 2016 date.

1994 are not assault weapons. 1994-2016 are not copies or duplicates. Very different.

 

[chris_1001]

I have not had a chance to really keep up with posted stuff and the amendments.

Where are we on “frames” as of now?

 

[Dusky]

No. It is not a copy or duplicate of an enumerated weapon. It is still subject to the feature test.

It's black and scawwy looking so its deadly

 

[derekdiggs]

A different summary than the one I wrote last night. Some clarifications. Some conclusions. Some opinions. Hopefully a useful way to look at this sh*tshow.

First and foremost, it is a modification of existing MGL leaving by default, everything we know and love in place without change. The version passed in the house is NOT relevant.

1. Assault Weapons. They have removed the federal reference and written the law out long hand. They have made some not nice modifications including codifying a number of Healeyisms. ALL AR-15s are assault weapons. Once an assault weapon, always an assault weapon, so no compliance work to fix something. The Copy/Duplicate language exists in a very unpleasant form. No new grandfathering so all the post 1994 weapons you have that are compliant with the AWB are now illegal if they are not compliant with the new AWB.
2. Rifle, shotgun and firearm definitions now include the frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun. So MA is now regulating frames and receivers. Since all ARs are assault weapons, all AR receivers are assault weapons. Dealer's cannot transfer/sell off roster firearms and since the frame/receiver is a firearm, no more frame transfers.
3. No Ghost Guns. ie no guns without serial numbers if the gun was manufactured after 1968. No making guns from unfinished unserialized stuff (80% lowers). All guns must get serialized and must be serialized before you assemble them. You can assemble, but not manufacture. Ghost guns bad.
4. No 3D printers, CNC machines or code to use on said devices unless you are a 07 FFL. They write it less broadly than that, but they use language that could effectively ban them completely for everyone if they choose.
5. Liability to everyone in the gun industry if they think you are marketing to anyone under 18 or reasonably should know someone under 18 will use or used or could use or... Avoiding federal protection and opening you up to civil liability that is unbounded. Essentially means a gunstore is a bad career choice. The way it is written, I as a dealer could sell someone a nice sig rifle. Unbeknownst to me, Sig is marketing them in such a way as to be considered marketing to under 18s. I now can get sued because I sold it. Try and manage your risk. I dare you.
6. Makes all municipal administrative and court/judicial administrative buildings sensitive places. Thall shall not confront your oppressors while armed.
7. Removes state preemption for gun laws essentially allowing any municipal or county government to pass whatever regulation they want restricting guns. Best of luck driving down the road and knowing what the laws are of any town you pass through.
8. Greatly expands ERPO (red flag). Not worth listing how, just know that anyone you pass on the street can ERPO you.
9. Expands background checks for FID/LTC particularly in the area of mental health. One of the worst is that a 3 day involuntary hold is now a statutory disqualifier. Since this is a zero due process hold, one doctor can take away your gun rights on a whim at anytime. The hold standard was involuntary commitment which required a judge.

so move....ok

 

[Goliathan]

I have not had a chance to really keep up with posted stuff and the amendments.

Where are we on “frames” as of now?

Don't worry about it until the language is final. As of now the language is not final.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

Did you not read the FAQ?

or the EMAIL saying you could still build them out if you purchased prior?

Laws, Emails, FAQs, same thing. Right Maura?
IANAL, Didn't go to law school but did configure the PCs inside UMASS LAW when they opened it, close enough.

IANAL?

What does that mean? I would rather not Google that.