MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Kurtz]

So in this case: post 2016 if you bought a 16” Tavor and had it pinned it’s a no-go but if you got the 18” Tavor with the factory brake (the factory post-ban sku) it’s Ok?

Also, I thought this clause in 11.1:
… that the previous proviso shall not apply to copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause (i) that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016”

With the previous provision being C&D and compliance work, exempted the pre-2016s that were ‘registered’ from the compliance work ban provision?

Where does that leave a factory built Beretta CX-4 purchased before 2016?

 

[FisherTech]

I see that the "Darling" from Auburn, Micheal O Moore voted for it. Gee! wasn't he sucking up to GOAL at one time?

 

[mothybee]

So isn’t Dolly Parton, but she’s still recognizable as a human.

Ya and Joe Bi..ah...oh, never mind.

 

[pastera]

Affluent White Female UGLY Liberal (AWFuL)

FIFY

 

[LT5]

I suppose it's possible that he voted for it in order to preserve some issue under parliamentary procedures. As an example, I believe a vote for reconsideration of a bill or issue can only be called for by someone who voted with the majority on the item in question.

Interesting.
Thanks for the education on that.

 

[mikeboston]

So all those 870's and 500/590's will be verboten? So we going almost full Australia?

Those are not semi auto

 

[pastera]

I do know that the senate bill’s language on banning rifles with fixed mags of >5 rd capacity not only eliminates tube-fed .22 rifles, but also the M1 Garand. I don’t see how that could remain in the final bill after the conference committee, but who knows.

Fixed magazines over 5 rounds is for shotguns

102 ... (F) any
103 semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of
104 ammunition; or (G) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of
105 ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;

 

[pastera]

If people spent 1/20th of their time calling/emailing their reps/senators, showing up for hearings or doing something useful other than posting on a forum this may have had a slight chance of not moving forward. Going online and ranting about it after the fact does absolutely nothing other than make people feel better.

You reap what you sow.....................

This was pushed by big dollar outside forces - unless your activism budget has 7-8 figures it didn't make much difference.
And no, I didn't sit home and just complain> I'm just aware of what is really going on and exactly how much power we actually have.

 

[BillyBass]

What an assumption
What a shitty first post

Go un-green

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng

 

[CrackPot]

How about if I bought my pre-ban/pre-1994 weapon yesterday, or I buy one tomorrow, is that still ok, or would I have had to purchase it prior to 2016 for it to be kosher?


Frank

MGL 140 131M says assault weapons are unlawful unless manufactured before 13-sep-1994. If you have a gun manufactured before that date it might be an assault weapon but it is legal to possess.

 

[pastera]

How about if I bought my pre-ban/pre-1994 weapon yesterday, or I buy one tomorrow, is that still ok, or would I have had to purchase it prior to 2016 for it to be kosher?


Frank

A pre-ban cannot be an AW by definition so the date of acquisition makes no difference

94 .... provided, however, that “assault weapon” shall not include: (A) any of the
95 weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, appearing in Appendix A of 18 U.S.C. 922
96 on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993;

 

[CrackPot]

When a new resident moves into the DPRM they are not required to fill out an eFA-10 to register any guns they bring with them, therefore, the grandfathering with the "must be registered before a date 8 years ago" requirement still mandates disgorgement of some people's EBRs.

THERE IS NO REGISTRATION. PERIOD.

If I have a lower purchased in 2014 and lawfully possessed, it is now an assault weapon under the senate bill. It is a copy/duplicate of an AR-15 even though it has never been assembled. I could NOT even do a FA-10 (assuming this is what registration means)

FA-10 is the responsibility of the seller. If the person I purchased from failed to mail in the form or do the online FA-10, that is NOT on me legally as the seller. But now I have a gun that the state does not know about. This has never been an issue or a crime, but now it is post ipso facto a crime since it was "not registered"

The Senate bill acknowledges by their addition of "manufacture or assemble" to the criteria requiring FA-10 by LTC/FID holders that the current law does not require a FA-10 for manufacture or assembling. Lots of people build AR-15s from lowers and did not unnecessarily FA-10 them. Sorry, that gun is no longer legal. Hell, even if you were required to FA-10 it, the statute of limitations has passed since 7/20/16 is too long ago. Sorry, new law, now you are a felon

The list goes on

 

[BillyBass]

This was pushed by big dollar outside forces - unless your activism budget has 7-8 figures it didn't make much difference.
And no, I didn't sit home and just complain> I'm just aware of what is really going on and exactly how much power we actually have.

Thank you for your efforts on this. You are one of the good ones.

 

[PappyM3]

If people spent 1/20th of their time calling/emailing their reps/senators, showing up for hearings or doing something useful other than posting on a forum this may have had a slight chance of not moving forward. Going online and ranting about it after the fact does absolutely nothing other than make people feel better.

You reap what you sow.....................

You assume a great deal.

 

[PappyM3]

Isn't part of it that a AWB has to be a semi-auto?

Yes. My brain was apparently elsewhere when I replied.

 

[pastera]

Thank you for your efforts on this. You are one of the good ones.

I think if you look back I've been stating that we are better off the worse the laws they put through ever since they started freaking out over Bruen
I didn't hide my opinion that there was going to be some short term but serious pain going to happen in order to get the next landmark case to SCOTUS

 

[EMTDAD]

If people spent 1/20th of their time calling/emailing their reps/senators, showing up for hearings or doing something useful other than posting on a forum this may have had a slight chance of not moving forward. Going online and ranting about it after the fact does absolutely nothing other than make people feel better.

You reap what you sow.....................

Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

 

[BillyBass]

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Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

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Hopefully I am never in a position to need your professional services as you go on way too long about nothing.

 

[not new guy]

Who is this new douchebag swinging his arms around trying to start shit with everyone?

 

[EMTDAD]

Hopefully I am never in a position to need your professional services as you go on way too long about nothing.

good, because you sound like you'd be an uninformed and PITA client anyway.. I'd probably bill you a lot more than the work cost anyway because of it.

 

[vicorjh]

Hopefully I am never in a position to need your professional services as you go on way too long about nothing.

Is that you Eldridge?

 

[nm1]

A pre-ban cannot be an AW by definition so the date of acquisition makes no different

That section is in reference to ‘Appendix A’ from the ‘94 Fed ban - saying you can have a ruger mini and an SKS as they were built in ‘93.

The pre-94 is not an AW was part of the long definition in the ‘94 Fed text; the new bill removed the pointer to the fed text and copied over the AW definition from the ‘94 AWB but left out the pre-94 exclusion.

_ 94 text: ____

`(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer

of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed on the

date of the enactment of this subsection.

``(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

``(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the

firearms, specified in Appendix A to this section, as such

firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;

``(B) any firearm that--

``(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or ……….

—-

Elsewhere in MA law (CrackPot quoted it - MGL 140 131M) it says the even if AW by definition it’s exempt from AW restrictions.
So the pre-94 exemption is retained but is not part of this bill.

 

[Dadstoys]

Where did some of these dorks pick up their public speaking skills?

They only need two clear words , Free Shit.

 

[1903Collector]

Those are not semi auto

Someone earlier said shotgun, they didn't delineate as to what action type.

 

[MAJoe]

Can someone clarify?
My understanding was this bill now goes to committee (per Statehouse news). GOAL email says now house can vote on it as is. If they pass it, then no committee.

 

[bigred460]

Can someone clarify?
My understanding was this bill now goes to committee (per Statehouse news). GOAL email says now house can vote on it as is. If they pass it, then no committee.

Read the GOAL email again, it explains the process.

 

[Dadstoys]

does it matter the names? It will be 4 democrats and 2 Rino's.

FIFY

 

[tcarter01]

Literally just pulled into my driveway and went to check the mail... As I am crossing over the street, I see a local PD cruiser coming through. (Live in a very small community on the RI line near a large RI community and the "hood" I live in is very small circular street with homes built in 90-96. Great neighborhood and we see a cruiser come through maybe once a week).

As I go to check mailbox on other side of street, I flag down the cop. (Note: Just came from having a couple beers and a Martini chaser but I'm home safe and sound so Uncle Martini said I was GTG LOL And I did keep about 6 feet away JIC). He stops and drops window and I ask him; "So what do you think of this new gun law in the senate, and I know you may be on camera, recording or whatever so I get it if you can't talk."

He smiles and then says, "Yah, I am limited to what I am allowed to say when in uniform but let's just say myself and the rest of the dept are not happy."

" It's only gonna create problems for regular gun owners and solve no problems."

I may be slightly off in the quotes.

I will take that as another CoP and his crew who are not in alignment with what the MCOP group is spouting off about.

 

[MAJoe]

Read the GOAL email again, it explains the process.

Thanks I did, it differed from what statehouse news reported as next steps (they said it goes to committee next, likely to be ready for vote in spring or early summer).

 

[Dadstoys]

So what do we think about Tarr voting for this?

Not shocked since he jumped on the red flag crap.
He got his Dem reach around apparently.
Hope no one forgets when he's up for re-election and making the tour to tell us how much he's on "Our side"
My local rep stopped by when he was up last time when my wife and I were out working in the yard.
I said , you voted in favor of the red flag law didn't you ?
He stammered a few lame assed excuses and I told him nice talking to you .
He lost his seat by a hand full of votes.
Too bad , so sad.
You vote like them you are one of them.