MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Steve600]

What is the job of the conference committee?

 

[Broc Tuah]

When you're basically making new law out of whole cloth literally none of that matters. They're not designing any of this law in consideration with on the ground legal decisions
etc, obviously. It's not like they are concerned with whether or not it makes sense, whether it withstands a constitutional test, or respects other laws or legal determinations.

I think the 2016 reference to grandfathering was like "something we felt like putting in there because were f***ing stupid and dont know any better" etc, so on.

I understand all this, what I am trying to get through my head, is how a judge can look at that and not ask "why did you pick that date?" ... and have the entire thing fall apart.

I can picture a judge not giving a f*ck, but it would be very obvious that judge is acting out of feelings.

 

[milktree]

I understand all this, what I am trying to get through my head, is how a judge can look at that and not ask "why did you pick that date?" ... and have the entire thing fall apart.

I can picture a judge not giving a f*ck, but it would be very obvious that judge is acting out of feelings.

Why 10 rounds? Why not 11? Or 6? Because they know better than we do.

If you try to logic this you'll end up in a knot.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I understand all this, what I am trying to get through my head, is how a judge can look at that and not ask "why did you pick that date?" ... and have the entire thing fall apart.

That is the date of the Healy "enforcement notice", with the Senates position appearing to be "the notice was correct and valid so no one legally bought an EBR after that date".

 

[Broc Tuah]

Why 10 rounds? Why not 11? Or 6? Because they know better than we do.

If you try to logic this you'll end up in a knot.

You are right.

 

[Broc Tuah]

That is the date of the Healy "enforcement notice", with the Senates position appearing to be "the notice was correct and valid so no one legally bought an EBR after that date".

So the next question is ... if the State knew all those sales were illegal, why didn't they stop them?

 

[scott-o]

The irony is that we're all getting worked up on here, but do you think the real "bad guys" are shaking in their boots about the new "tough on guns" laws that they're cooking up...

Answer: they're not.

These legislators know that 90% of the guns in the crimes that they're talking about don't come from most of these channels they are trying to jam. "Ghost guns" and "Glock switches" on the streets in Urban areas.. maybe... TBD.

Its disingenuous to state their intent was really to make an enforceable way to charge people for this based on some collections of parts and machinery without an LTC, they could explicitly do that not some omnibus crap.

Also...show me how many major busts they truly let slip through because the lack of enforceability. I bet its zero, because switches are illegal and constructive possession is a thing. Certainly the busts likely involve other components (drugs) or ammo they can charge with but neglect to use their resources properly .

That should tell you everything you need to know about the intent behind this push.

 

[Broc Tuah]

The irony is that we're all getting worked up on here, but do you think the real "bad guys" are shaking in their boots about the new "tough on guns" laws that they're cooking up...

Answer: they're not.

These legislators know that 90% of the guns in the crimes that they're talking about don't come from most of these channels they are trying to jam. "Ghost guns" and "Glock switches" on the streets in Urban areas.. maybe... TBD.

Its disingenuous to state their intent was really to make an enforceable way to charge people for this based on some collections of parts and machinery without an LTC, they could explicitly do that not some omnibus crap.

Also...show me how many major busts they truly let slip through because the lack of enforceability. I bet its zero, because switches are illegal and constructive possession is a thing. Certainly the busts likely involve other components (drugs) or ammo they can charge with but neglect to use their resources properly .

That should tell you everything you need to know about the intent behind this push.

Everyone already knows this is not about criminals, but instead is about turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

I am surprised they are still trying to sell it that way. Not sure how they say it without laughing.

 

[kalash]

Only if it has a pistol grip or other no no features.

A shotgun with no evil features is not an AW but the mag tube can still be a LCFD, no?

 

[Goliathan]

What is the job of the conference committee?

The conference committee consists of a few $hitheads... um, learned and respected leaders... from each chamber. They will literally negotiate the points of the bill - which may very well include brining the House language back - then what ever they come up with goes directly back to both chambers for a straight up or down vote. No public involvement, no debate, no more amendments. Once both chambers vote it's off to Dimplestiltskin's desk for her rubber stamp.

 

[drgrant]

I understand all this, what I am trying to get through my head, is how a judge can look at that and not ask "why did you pick that date?" ... and have the entire thing fall apart.

I can picture a judge not giving a f*ck, but it would be very obvious that judge is acting out of feelings.

I am reasonably sure that they already know that it's going to fail..... this whole thing is a virtue signaling operation. There is little or no consideration in any of this legislation to try to protect it from or forestall any legal action. Even if they soften it considerably there's a half dozen avenues of attack. The intent was obviously not to go mild here to have it survive scrutiny but rather strictly for virtue signaling as a sort of a moonbat temper tantrum/ middle finger.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

That is the date of the Healy "enforcement notice", with the Senates position appearing to be "the notice was correct and valid so no one legally bought an EBR after that date".

If that is the senates position, why even bother changing the law?

 

[chris_1001]

A shotgun with no evil features is not an AW but the mag tube can still be a LCFD, no?

Pistol grip plus 6 rounds was an assault rifle.

Birds head grip and 6 rounds and your dog is safe.

Above is for semi’s only.

Pumps you can do what you want.

But now it seems pumps are a problem if 6

 

[kalash]

Pistol grip plus 6 rounds was an assault rifle.

Birds head grip and 6 rounds and your dog is safe.

Above is for semi’s only.

Pumps you can do what you want.

But now it seems pumps are a problem if 6

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term “large capacity feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition.

 

[Spartan65]

Pistol grip plus 6 rounds was an assault rifle.

Birds head grip and 6 rounds and your dog is safe.

Above is for semi’s only.

Pumps you can do what you want.

But now it seems pumps are a problem if 6

Wait until they hear about mini shells.

 

[kiver]

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This guy made me believe he had issues with the house bill. LIAR!! He can eat a huge bad of D’s. “Gun free Massachusetts “. I am so motivated to do whatever I can to volunteer against him in re-election.

 

[p..]

I am reasonably sure that they already know that it's going to fail..... this whole thing is a virtue signaling operation. There is little or no consideration in any of this legislation to try to protect it from or forestall any legal action. Even if they soften it considerably there's a half dozen avenues of attack. The intent was obviously not to go mild here to have it survive scrutiny but rather strictly for virtue signaling as a sort of a moonbat temper tantrum/ middle finger.

I see it differently. They have the majority vote, the momentum, and are swinging for the fences for what they've wanted all along. I don't think it's virtue signaling so much as a kid with a $100 bill in a candy store.

For a variety of reasons they do not respect any recent decisions from the Supreme Court so are in part retaliating against them.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I am reasonably sure that they already know that it's going to fail..... this whole thing is a virtue signaling operation. There is little or no consideration in any of this legislation to try to protect it from or forestall any legal action. Even if they soften it considerably there's a half dozen avenues of attack. The intent was obviously not to go mild here to have it survive scrutiny but rather strictly for virtue signaling as a sort of a moonbat temper tantrum/ middle finger.

Plot twist: they really, really care about the 2A so they are doing this hoping the courts will shut it down and politicians won't be able to f*ck with the 2A in the future. That is why they didn't touch open carry. 4D chess.

Now it all makes sense.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I see it differently. They have the majority vote, the momentum, and are swinging for the fences for what they've wanted all along. I don't think it's virtue signaling so much as a kid with a $100 bill in a candy store.

For a variety of reasons they do not respect any recent decisions from the Supreme Court so are in part retaliating against them.

They always had the majority vote.

 

[bigbravehog]

Why 10 rounds? Why not 11? Or 6? Because they know better than we do.

If you try to logic this you'll end up in a knot.

It's like the completey unscientific 6 foot distance rule during covid. Makes no sense

 

[chris_1001]

Wait until they hear about mini shells.

Ammo loophole!

 

[p..]

They always had the majority vote.

Sorry, majority vote, plus a willing accomplice in the governor's office.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Sorry, majority vote, plus a willing accomplice in the governor's office.

They dont need the governor when they have such a majority.

 

[nm1]

Isn't the mag tube on a semi-auto shotgun that holds >5 already against the current AWB?

It’s one of the enumerated features, along with a pistol grip, etc. and 2 features are required.

The gotcha for long mag tubes is technically they’re large cape feeding devices (on their own), independent of the feature count.

 

[chris_1001]

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term “large capacity feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition.

There is someplace a specific passage about this. I can’t find it now.

But remember. Dealers were selling the mossberg JM pro out in the open for years.

 

[Lmsoul]

I am happy we have a bill for all the illegals to get free everything. With the new firearm laws, it will be more free sh-$$.

 

[bigbravehog]

It takes a couple hundred thousand dollars to get it into the circuit court for a injunction that will be denied. It could be done but you need NAGR/GOA/FPC to see that it's worth them taking up.

The first circuit is super liberal so an injunction is not likely.

The NRA chipped in $500k to fight the MA AWB.
There's a lot of negativity about the NRA right now and rightfully so, but they are still the leftist bogeyman and I'll pay a small yearly fee to piss off millions of liberals.

 

[chris_1001]

It’s one of the enumerated features, along with a pistol grip, etc. and 2 features are required.

The gotcha for long mag tubes is technically they’re large cape feeding devices (on their own), independent of the feature count.

But. They cannot off the gun hold the rounds. So they might have yet another technicality allowing them.

Also the beretta 1301 with the birds head was good to go from what I saw.

 

[pupchow]

This guy made me believe he had issues with the house bill. LIAR!! He can eat a huge bad of D’s. “Gun free Massachusetts “. I am so motivated to do whatever I can to volunteer against him in re-election.

He did attempt to retract what he'd just said, by interjecting "crime" afterwards.

 

[p..]

The NRA chipped in $500k to fight the MA AWB.
There's a lot of negativity about the NRA right now and rightfully so, but they are still the leftist bogeyman and I'll pay a small yearly fee to piss off millions of liberals.

How did you hear this? Can you link to something on their site? I just looked at the NRA ILA site the other day and didn't see anything about the Senate bill, just some info from last fall about the House bill.