MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Taipan01]

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This is not the face or haircut of somebody you should ever trust to make the rules for your society.

Worked for Moe.

 

[HKTony45]

Better thing to do is read the bill so that you know what it says and not take the advice of people whom you have little respect for as proven by the tone of your reply to @drgrant

I did read it. Tell me where it says if your own said items this is what you do with them

 

[HARRYM]

Worked for Moe.

 

[not new guy]

We should oppose anyone who voted for it. I don’t care who or what party or if their replacement is “worse” whatever the hell that is anymore. They should be shown the door. If that means things get worse before they get better then so be it.

I just hope he doesn't dare show his face at any clubs looking for votes in the future.

 

[John2006]

This probably won't take months - The pushis from outside forces and the legislature already has egg on it's face from screwing it up before with petty squabbles.
I would be surprised to see if it takes even a month to hit the governor's desk

This 100%. If you’ve been holding off any purchases, best move asap before the window closes.

 

[moonpup]

Does anyone actually work around here?

 

[HARRYM]

Does anyone actually work around here?

I'm retired....most days I'm not 100% sure what day of the week it is and even better I really don't care.

 

[milktree]

in an attempt to lighten the mood around here, let's check in with the ri mag ban lawsuit, currently in the first circuit.

now imagine the depth of the problem that the great and general court of massachusetts is trying to hand them.

Can states ban high-capacity gun magazines?

The first federal appeals court to tackle this issue after the Supreme Court’s landmark gun-control ruling last year seemed uncertain how to proceed.

www.courthousenews.com

The LCM issue is significant because limiting magazine size is one of the few methods of reducing mass-shooting fatalities for which there is evidence of its effectiveness. Although the sample size is limited, a study in Criminology and Public Policy found that states with LCM bans had 48% fewer mass-shooting incidents and 33% fewer fatalities. A separate study in the American Journal of Public Health found that states without a ban on LCMs had more than twice as many mass shootings.

I'm 100% sure that magazine capacity bans are the *ONLY* thing different between those states. I'm confident they factored in economic health, overall crime rate, access to mental health, employment rate, access to traditional healthcare, etc.

In other news: states that have more cars have more car accidents.

 

[scott-o]

Does anyone actually work around here?

What is this "work" you speak of?

 

[Whutmeworry]

I do know that the senate bill’s language on banning rifles with fixed mags of >5 rd capacity not only eliminates tube-fed .22 rifles, but also the M1 Garand. I don’t see how that could remain in the final bill after the conference committee, but who knows.

 

[moonpup]

What is this "work" you speak of?

you know... that thing we all do, like a day job... haha

 

[Broc Tuah]

Does anyone actually work around here?

Why should we?

Everyone else benefits from our taxes except us. Let someone else's taxes benefit us.

Now, go back to work, I need your taxes to pay for my new $1500 iPhone.

 

[TJ4]

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This is not the face or haircut of somebody you should ever trust to make the rules for your society.

You know the old saying, “politics is Hollywood for ugly people.”

 

[MAJoe]

I do know that the senate bill’s language on banning rifles with fixed mags of >5 rd capacity not only eliminates tube-fed .22 rifles, but also the M1 Garand. I don’t see how that could remain in the final bill after the conference committee, but who knows.

It bans shotguns with fixed mags over 5 rounds and exempts says any rifle with a fixed mag that cannot hold more than 5 rounds from being an AW. Over 5 round fixed mag rifles aren’t banned, they just need to comply with the other tests.

 

[DJBrad]

I do know that the senate bill’s language on banning rifles with fixed mags of >5 rd capacity not only eliminates tube-fed .22 rifles, but also the M1 Garand. I don’t see how that could remain in the final bill after the conference committee, but who knows.

Chris, that avatar

 

[GOAL]

The final language of the bill isn't available yet; all of the adopted amendments still need to be worked in. We are looking at it and will begin taking it apart as soon as we can. Since this is an "amendment" to the House bill, it is back to being called H.4139 going forward. The vote tally and next actions are there:

Bill H.4139

malegislature.gov

We will have more soon.

 

[pupchow]

Grandfathering; to ease the pain of a horse-sized suppository.

 

[HARRYM]

You know the old saying, “politics is Hollywood for ugly people.”

She's like 81 years old.

 

[Waher]

It bans shotguns with fixed mags over 5 rounds and exempts says any rifle with a fixed mag that cannot hold more than 5 rounds from being an AW. Over 5 round fixed mag rifles aren’t banned, they just need to comply with the other tests.

Lee Enfields are boned
Detachable mag
10 rounds
Bayonet lug

 

[Taipan01]

I'm with the group of it's all gas until it solidifies and then wait on GOAL to filter thru the democratic no-nothing of which they speak and put it into English (as I don't speak bonehead) to see what the actual effects may or not be and what recourses are needed before sharping up my guillotines blade, turning on the gas to my tar bucket and plucking Gertrude.

As for lightening up the mood. I did notice goals posting of training mandates proposed. The active shooter part is interesting. Hopefully it'll be live fire so I can show my method of waiting for the dummy to get distracted and then delivering the coup de grace. There was a time I could quickly advance in a serpentine pattern, now it's more a slug like movement in a rain puddle. The wheel barrel and shovel should be self explanatory.

Some of us have been dealing with this since the 70's, albeit each time we end up on the short end of compromise. I can see how there is a lot of concern about personal items, naturally and what it means but at the moment it means nothing and no-one as of yet can say definitively.

 

[PappyM3]

It bans shotguns with fixed mags over 5 rounds and exempts says any rifle with a fixed mag that cannot hold more than 5 rounds from being an AW. Over 5 round fixed mag rifles aren’t banned, they just need to comply with the other tests.

Sweet, more arbitrary numbers.

 

[TJ4]

She's like 81 years old.

So isn’t Dolly Parton, but she’s still recognizable as a human.

 

[PappyM3]

Lee Enfields are boned
Detachable mag
10 rounds
Bayonet lug

Are they? Did they change it to the California method of the detachable mag being one of the features? Because as it is the Lee Enfield’s bayonet lug is the one feature. Not trying to minimize the stupidity of it all.

Edit: Regardless, not an AW because it’s a bolt action.

 

[PappyM3]

With the increased restrictions of what is an “assault weapon” in both the house and senate versions, goodbye to new competitors for the federally codified CMP Service Rifle matches, National Matches, and Presidents 100. Goodbye to the local junior teams who have been competitive at the national stage at Camp Perry.

 

[EddieZoom]

So if I've read everything correctly the Senate version as passed is essentially unchanged from the original; no poison pill amendments, no whole-sale neutering of sections; just a half-hearted partial grandfathering of some scary rifles. IMNSHO, given the nature of the reconciliation process, this is the "best" we'll see, it only goes downhill from here.
There is no compromise here. It's like starting with a dogsh!t sandwich from the Senate and a triple-sh!t pizza from the house; we'll end up with a double-sh!t calzone: It's still going to be full of sh!t.

...double sh!t calzone...nicely done ;-)

 

[HARRYM]

So isn’t Dolly Parton, but she’s still recognizable as a human.

Some have better plastic surgeons than others.

 

[Penniepup1]

The final language of the bill isn't available yet; all of the adopted amendments still need to be worked in. We are looking at it and will begin taking it apart as soon as we can. Since this is an "amendment" to the House bill, it is back to being called H.4139 going forward. The vote tally and next actions are there:

Bill H.4139

malegislature.gov

We will have more soon.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

 

[mpd61]

I do know that the senate bill’s language on banning rifles with fixed mags of >5 rd capacity not only eliminates tube-fed .22 rifles, but also the M1 Garand. I don’t see how that could remain in the final bill after the conference committee, but who knows.

Pretty sure ALL my M1 Garands are pre-94 and serialized soooooo........Phuk Dem Dem's!

 

[Toast]

So what do we think about Tarr voting for this?

We should oppose anyone who voted for it. I don’t care who or what party or if their replacement is “worse” whatever the hell that is anymore. They should be shown the door. If that means things get worse before they get better then so be it.

I suppose it's possible that he voted for it in order to preserve some issue under parliamentary procedures. As an example, I believe a vote for reconsideration of a bill or issue can only be called for by someone who voted with the majority on the item in question.

 

[MainelyFree]

can't tax the sale of religious items.