MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Mark from MA said:
No offense.....but WTF is everyone buying that you should have gotten already? Anyone with a brain knew they were gonna shove this bat up our ass a year ago.
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None taken.
I wasn’t referring to myself just trying to offer a little levity in addition to Brocs post.
Granted I’ll bet dimes to dollars that they’ll need a traffic cop in the parking lot for the foreseeable future
 
Mark from MA said:
No offense.....but WTF is everyone buying that you should have gotten already? Anyone with a brain knew they were gonna shove this bat up our ass a year ago.
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Not everyone has the money to buy what they want at any time. So of there has been a gun/frame on someones list that they have been saving for, now is the time to get it.
 
drgrant said:
I am reasonably sure that they already know that it's going to fail..... this whole thing is a virtue signaling operation. There is little or no consideration in any of this legislation to try to protect it from or forestall any legal action. Even if they soften it considerably there's a half dozen avenues of attack. The intent was obviously not to go mild here to have it survive scrutiny but rather strictly for virtue signaling as a sort of a moonbat temper tantrum/ middle finger.
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p.. said:
How did you hear this? Can you link to something on their site? I just looked at the NRA ILA site the other day and didn't see anything about the Senate bill, just some info from last fall about the House bill.
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I'm searching through the earlier threads from 2016 but can't find it yet. It wasn't posted on the NRA site since it was handled by Comm2a.
I'll post it if I find it.
 
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Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms...
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Varmint said:
I was happier when my donations were tax deductible, that felt like a double win. Friggin Trump tax changes.
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I think your looking at that wrong. You should be asking for a no child rebate. Why do people get a tax break for knocking someone up?
In Mass it cost $120,000.00 to put one child through school up through Highschool. Average 2 children per family so I want my $240,000.00
 
drgrant said:
Antis that want their shit to stick around would act pragmatically. There's an entire spectrum of annoying garbage they could have put in here that would have withstood scrutiny but instead they're just basically teeing up a bunch of low hanging fruit. And ironically what you're describing is the definition of virtue signaling... basically doing things for appearance only that don't really amount to anything in reality.

This is basically a toddler on an airplane that's going full retard but eventually the plane is going to land. 🤣
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I think all these states pushing this shit want it to fail.

They want to scream and convince the sheep that the SCOTUS is illegitimate. Just another commie way to break the country.
 
Yazz said:
I think your looking at that wrong. You should be asking for a no child rebate. Why do people get a tax break for knocking someone up?
In Mass it cost $120,000.00 to put one child through school up through Highschool. Average 2 children per family so I want my $240,000.00
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LOL.
How would you implement that? And by my reckoning, you should only get half of that since it takes you and a menstruating person to procreate. Therefore, you have to split it with your imaginary baby momma.
But... if you ever offered any tax incentive to not have children, there would be a whole lot of men claiming they have none.
You think kids from the hood are confused on fathers day now? Just wait till they start disowning them on tax documents.
 
PFG said:
I agree with your take on this, and wanted to offer another (possibly naive) take on this narrative:

I could see a prosecutor saying:

1994 law banned named AW’s going forward, which didn’t explicitly state copycats / duplicates, but it’s understandable they indeed fall under this ban.

2016: Healey’s first warning / interpretation of the 1994 law, which is preliminarily supported by the rejected injunction in NAGR v. Healey by the 1st circuit court. (Basically “we told you once in 1994, we are telling you again in 2016.”)

2024: New forthcoming law; SAFER, to be signed into law. The reasoning for the 2016 grandfather date could be seen as “we banned this in 1994, albeit a bit grey or muddy, but we are going to cut you a break and grandfather 22 years later.”

Maybe a bit of a stretch, your thoughts?
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I'll throw the curve ball. Because they have nothing else to anchor it to by way of backdating. The 2016 edict, not law, put forth by Healy in her interpretation "what the 1994 AWB really means (to me)", though millions of people, LE's, judicial's, the hot dog guy at Fenway were in agreement as to what it meant but were in error as she is truly remarkable, truly, almost omnipotent, just ask her. I did, she said it was so. In reality (mine anyway), everything manufactured forward including today that meets the compliance criteria for the AWB should still be fine. The biggest reason some/most FFL's don't deal with it is because the state has bottomless pockets to use as a cudgel, ours, where mom and pop places squeak out a living. If that fails, send in the inspectors. There's more than one way to skin a cat, at least according to Ho Lee Fuk's cookbook Roadside Cuisine (his motto is Remington or radials, meats all the same). Making something illegal that was legal is going to be a hard sell when the rubber hits the road, squirrel, chipmunk, groundhog, etc., If it does move forward, I believe all things prior would be grandfathered.

You know, it's okay to be apprehensive, nervous, unsure, even frightened at times about what the possibilities may hold in the future. All's that really matters is what you do with it.
 
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bigbravehog said:
www.nraila.org

NRA-ILA | Home

Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms...
www.nraila.org www.nraila.org
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Thank you.

But none of the linked stories say anything about the NRA supporting local organizations and promising to fight it. Looks like they copied and pasted a few bullet points from GOAL.
 
Yazz said:
I think your looking at that wrong. You should be asking for a no child rebate. Why do people get a tax break for knocking someone up?
In Mass it cost $120,000.00 to put one child through school up through Highschool. Average 2 children per family so I want my $240,000.00
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I want my my $240k in realized tax cuts then 🤣
Some us didn’t “knock up” our SO either
Imagine some of us planned on keeping the population of humans going

Your welcome for another 2 right minded properly raised people to counter the liberal baby machine madness

Now pay up
 
Broc said:
Thank you.

But none of the linked stories say anything about the NRA supporting local organizations and promising to fight it. Looks like they copied and pasted a few bullet points from GOAL.
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GOAL - MA Assault Weapon Court Action

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I have a serious and an honest question. I have lost count of how many time I have posted the many cases where the NRA backed local organizations with financial and legal help. Many, many, many times. Yet many, many times you ignore it. Would you be offended if I asked you to take off your charter member NRA Bashing hat just for one minute and explain to me why it is you have ignored the MANY cases of the NRA helping local organizations, including GOAL?

And my question is being sincerely asked here.

Thanks

Harry M.
 
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Asaltweapon said:
Hillary would have been so much better over Trump if she had won.
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Seriously. If you understand taxes you understand that the amount you get back from charitable contributions is very small. The Trump Tax cuts put real cash in middle class Americans pockets.

And sadly I have come to accept that many in this country never grasped the reality of what America would look like today had Hillary won.

This is why the Left has gone scorched earth on America. They were on the verge of taking over and Trump messed things up. They will do anything to keep it from happening a second time.

But, for some, getting an extra 10 bucks back on their tax return eclipses the bigger picture.
 
HARRYM said:
Seriously. If you understand taxes you understand that the amount you get back from charitable contributions is very small. The Trump Tax cuts put real cash in middle class Americans pockets.

And sadly I have come to accept that many in this country never grasped the reality of what America would look like today had Hillary won.

This is why the Left has gone scorched earth on America. They were on the verge of taking over and Trump messed things up. They will do anything to keep it from happening a second time.

But, for some, getting an extra 10 bucks back on their tax return eclipses the bigger picture.
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It’s not the 10 bucks.

It’s the system. Flat tax is a much more fair system anyway. 10% to somebody earning 100k then looking around to see big money earners paying the same amount because ‘deductions’ is a kick in the balls no matter how you slice it.

Don’t get me wrong. Trump has another huge battle coming when he wins again.
 
Asaltweapon said:
Hillary would have been so much better over Trump if she had won.
Got it.
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HARRYM said:
Seriously. If you understand taxes you understand that the amount you get back from charitable contributions is very small. The Trump Tax cuts put real cash in middle class Americans pockets.

And sadly I have come to accept that many in this country never grasped the reality of what America would look like today had Hillary won.

This is why the Left has gone scorched earth on America. They were on the verge of taking over and Trump messed things up. They will do anything to keep it from happening a second time.

But, for some, getting an extra 10 bucks back on their tax return eclipses the bigger picture.
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Sarcasm.
 
Some where in this thread there was the report of an utterance about making that state, a gun free state. Could some one bring it up again so I can post that to my email list. Thank You.
 
HARRYM said:

GOAL - MA Assault Weapon Court Action

goal.org goal.org

I have a serious and an honest question. I have lost count of how many time I have posted the many cases where the NRA backed local organizations with financial and legal help. Many, many, many times. Yet many, many times you ignore it. Would you be offended if I asked you to take off your charter member NRA Bashing hat just for one minute and explain to me why it is you have ignored the MANY cases of the NRA helping local organizations, including GOAL?

And my question is being sincerely asked here.

Thanks

Harry M.
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I would like to add to what you stated that it is my understanding that the NRA does not want to take the lead on any MA cases and prefers to support/work in the "background" because they do not want it to become an NRA "thing" in MA due to the liberal/Dem craziness here.
 
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