Maryland AWB case Snope v Brown going to SCOTUS. (Formerly Bianchi v Brown & Bianchi v Frosh)

Dennis in MA said:
I don't care how people "feel" about constitutional rights. 155% of all Americans were opposed to gay marriage the day before the SC said, "WTF,O?"

That was 9 years ago. I'm betting the anti-gay-marriage contingent today isn't 5% of the population.

People get wound up about things (I was part of teh 155% back then) and then, when it happens, realize it's NBD. Same with gun rights. We're gonna calm the F down about AWB's about 8 days after the SC issues their no-more-bans ruling. Except for a, albeit vocal, micro-minority.
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If two women between the ages of 18 and 23, that are really, really, really, really hot.... want to get married and invite everyone over from the gun club.... I'm clearly in favor!

Video is just a kiss. Not guilty!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny2REpZTp2I
 
Coyote33 said:
What are the implications here for Massachusetts?
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The Snope v. Brown circuit court case isn't precedent here, so unless cert is granted it has no direct impact on Massachusetts. Ocean State Tactical is a different matter. Unless cert is granted and the case reversed, it'll make it extremely difficult to win a challenge against Massachusetts's ban on standard capacity magazines.
Coyote33 said:
What is the worst that can come of this? Status quo?
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The worst that can happen is that the Supreme Court grants cert and upholds the Maryland ban. You can then expect states like Massachusetts to push the decision to the limit by banning any semi-automatic carbine, rifle, and rifle caliber handgun.

Coyote33 said:
What is the best that can come of this? 30 round magazines and new, current AR's?
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That the Supreme Court grants cert and decides that semi-automatic rifles and carbines are bearable arms, in common use, and reasonable weapons for self defense. They also decide that some or all of criteria used to define an "assault weapon," bears no rational relationship to a legitimate state interest. They also rule that limits on magazine capacity are not supported by "historical tradition." As a long shot, they also overrule Miller.

Massachusetts residents can then purchase, possess, and carry the same firearms as in less knee-jerk "we must do something" states.
 
AmeriKHAN said:
Even if the AWB gets struck down, I have no doubt MA will use the approved roster, or will make a new approved roster. They will say that semi auto rifles are not banned they're just not "approved for sale". You also have thr MA Consumer Protection Act. There's a whole lot of f***ery they still have up their sleeves.
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True, but you can purchase long guns outside your state.
And the opinion won't be that you cannot ban "assault" weapons, it will be that you cannot use features to ban types or categories of guns.
The roster could exist but it would be one where there is objective evidence that they are not fit for sale instead of forcing manufacturers to prove their product has certain traits allowing it to be sold.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Got the guy some slack. We're not all lawyers are legal junkies here. We're just trying to understand what this means for all of us as gun owners behind the Iron Curtain.
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This - He actually tries to distill our histrionic outbursts into sensible memos for his club.
 
Thumopolis said:
Damn, so he’s not even saying they may still grant cert or not until next week!? I wonder why he’s not anticipating the possibility of it coming out tonight or early next week and already saying one last chance next Friday?
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They released a miscellaneous order not including Snope or Ocean State - so in limbo until Tuesday.
 
What does NES think about SCOTUS actually holding the release of Cert for Snope or Ocean State until Tuesday because of the inauguration on Monday?

Given that just taking Cert on either means the Court is looking to strike the bans, I could see Roberts wanting to hold off until after Monday to keep the crazies calm while SCOTUS is there.
 
pastera said:
What does NES think about SCOTUS actually holding the release of Cert for Snope or Ocean State until Tuesday because of the inauguration on Monday?

Given that just taking Cert on either means the Court is looking to strike the bans, I could see Roberts wanting to hold off until after Monday to keep the crazies calm while SCOTUS is there.
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An above-average possibility.
 
MickeyD’s said:
Jesus dude
You ask this everytime
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Actually, that was the first time I replied anything on these cases.
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Parker Schreiber said:
The Snope v. Brown circuit court case isn't precedent here, so unless cert is granted it has no direct impact on Massachusetts. Ocean State Tactical is a different matter. Unless cert is granted and the case reversed, it'll make it extremely difficult to win a challenge against Massachusetts's ban on standard capacity magazines.

The worst that can happen is that the Supreme Court grants cert and upholds the Maryland ban. You can then expect states like Massachusetts to push the decision to the limit by banning any semi-automatic carbine, rifle, and rifle caliber handgun.

That the Supreme Court grants cert and decides that semi-automatic rifles and carbines are bearable arms, in common use, and reasonable weapons for self defense. They also decide that some or all of criteria used to define an "assault weapon," bears no rational relationship to a legitimate state interest. They also rule that limits on magazine capacity are not supported by "historical tradition." As a long shot, they also overrule Miller.

Massachusetts residents can then purchase, possess, and carry the same firearms as in less knee-jerk "we must do something" states.
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Thank you for the concise, readable, and understandable answers.
 
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pastera said:
What does NES think about SCOTUS actually holding the release of Cert for Snope or Ocean State until Tuesday because of the inauguration on Monday?

Given that just taking Cert on either means the Court is looking to strike the bans, I could see Roberts wanting to hold off until after Monday to keep the crazies calm while SCOTUS is there.
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pastera said:
What does NES think about SCOTUS actually holding the release of Cert for Snope or Ocean State until Tuesday because of the inauguration on Monday?

Given that just taking Cert on either means the Court is looking to strike the bans, I could see Roberts wanting to hold off until after Monday to keep the crazies calm while SCOTUS is there.
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Feels like hopium but I like it.
 
Parker Schreiber said:
The Snope v. Brown circuit court case isn't precedent here, so unless cert is granted it has no direct impact on Massachusetts. Ocean State Tactical is a different matter. Unless cert is granted and the case reversed, it'll make it extremely difficult to win a challenge against Massachusetts's ban on standard capacity magazines.
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If SCOTUS does rule in Snope, the precedent could be binding across the nation, depending on how they word it.
 


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