Maryland AWB case Snope v Brown going to SCOTUS. (Formerly Bianchi v Brown & Bianchi v Frosh)

Picton said:
There are several reasons for that. One of them is that MGs have a very limited use case. I've worked with them extensively, and I can't think of a hole they would fill in my shooting life; I'm not suppressing enemy fire nor am I maintaining an FPL, which are the roles MGs fill better than anything else they do.

Of course I support a man's right to buy an MG if he wants to, but I'd never bother. To that end, while I'd strongly object to an MG ban on constitutional grounds, I can't say it would affect me in the slightest. The ban would be less likely to mobilize or [further] radicalize me, to be truthful.

As you point out, you need political will to start that ball rolling. If I were a politician, owing favors to many constituents, the MG lobby would probably be pretty far down on my list. There are infinite things I'd need my political capital for, and most are more important than MGs.

Just calling it like I see it.
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Presumably a well regulated militia would have machine guns.

Thats the only interpretation we should be using, not what we prefer at the range.
 
Dench said:
Presumably a well regulated militia would have machine guns.

Thats the only interpretation we should be using, not what we prefer at the range.
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True, and I do support that interpretation.

I'm speculating about why repealing an MG ban might have difficulty getting traction.
 
Picton said:
True, and I do support that interpretation.

I'm speculating about why repealing an MG ban might have difficulty getting traction.
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Its just simple politics. MGs are scary to the majority of people.

I still think they should be available with scrutiny, which in my opinion would mesh nicely with the "well regulated" part of all of it.

Scotus is lame, they cant even handle simple not overly controversial stuff never mind this.

A repeal of Hughes is probably all that's needed. I cant imagine we'd see it ever.
 
Dench said:
Its just simple politics. MGs are scary to the majority of people.

I still think they should be available with scrutiny, which in my opinion would mesh nicely with the "well regulated" part of all of it.

Scotus is lame, they cant even handle simple not overly controversial stuff never mind this.

A repeal of Hughes is probably all that's needed. I cant imagine we'd see it ever.
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That not what well regulated means in the context of 2A.
 
This article isn't mainly about Snopes, but it is referenced towards the end. The article is mostly about how the 9CA is undermining Bruen in the way it handles en banc rehearings. The 4CA, which included Maryland does something similar.

www.shootingnewsweekly.com

Judge Calls Out Game Ninth Circuit Plays That Enable States to Continue to Violate Citizens’ Gun Rights

While it is not uncommon for federal courts of appeals to consider a case en banc, the Ninth Circuit has developed a highly unusual practice of automatically vacating a three-judge panel’s opinion…
www.shootingnewsweekly.com www.shootingnewsweekly.com
 
VTski4x4 said:
So much for being relisted today....
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What made you think it would be relisted today? Per the Scotus calendar the next conference isn't until the 21st.

Today at the Court - Friday, Feb 21, 2025​

  • The Court will convene for a public non-argument session in the Courtroom at 10 a.m.
  • Seating for the non-argument session will be provided to the public, members of the Supreme Court Bar, and press. The Supreme Court Building will otherwise be closed.
  • The Supreme Court Building will reopen to the public following the conclusion of the Court session and close at 3 p.m.
  • The Justices will meet in a private conference to discuss cases and vote on petitions for review.
  • The Court will release an order list at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, February 24.
 
sbhaven said:
What made you think it would be relisted today? Per the Scotus calendar the next conference isn't until the 21st.

Today at the Court - Friday, Feb 21, 2025​

  • The Court will convene for a public non-argument session in the Courtroom at 10 a.m.
  • Seating for the non-argument session will be provided to the public, members of the Supreme Court Bar, and press. The Supreme Court Building will otherwise be closed.
  • The Supreme Court Building will reopen to the public following the conclusion of the Court session and close at 3 p.m.
  • The Justices will meet in a private conference to discuss cases and vote on petitions for review.
  • The Court will release an order list at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, February 24.
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Had the dates mixed up I guess. I could have sworn someone said it would be distributed today if it had any chance of being listed soon.

Edit: yup doubled checked. It was the 14th not 7th.
 
If we can some national stuff passed we be rocking it. But Roberts court is inept and senate is full of rhinos . need 60 to get rid off filibuster.
 
Garys said:
The 5CA is perhaps the most pro gun Circuit Court in the system. It won't surprise me if they do uphold that ruling.
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The 5th also sticks strictly to its own previous rulings, some of which are horrible when it comes to QI and similar issues.

You're correct, but they're a mixed bag.
 
Garys said:
The 5CA is perhaps the most pro gun Circuit Court in the system. It won't surprise me if they do uphold that ruling.
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You might think that, but just yesterday from a three judge panel there...

txgunrights.org

Fifth Circuit Rules Against Suppressors—What This Means for Gun Owners and the “Made in Texas” Suppressor Law - Texas Gun Rights

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, once considered a stronghold for Second Amendment protections, has delivered a major setback to gun owners and firearms rights advocates by ruling that suppressors are not covered under the Second Amendment. This decision has serious implications—not just for...
txgunrights.org txgunrights.org


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CatSnoutSoup said:
You might think that, but just yesterday from a three judge panel there...

txgunrights.org

Fifth Circuit Rules Against Suppressors—What This Means for Gun Owners and the “Made in Texas” Suppressor Law - Texas Gun Rights

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, once considered a stronghold for Second Amendment protections, has delivered a major setback to gun owners and firearms rights advocates by ruling that suppressors are not covered under the Second Amendment. This decision has serious implications—not just for...
txgunrights.org txgunrights.org


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Great, looks like there will be more panic buying.
 
Were silencers in "common use" at the time of the founding of the nation or shortly thereafter? I agree that silencers aren't firearms and think that the NFA on this is stupid. However I think that the 5CA is going to take Bruen literally.

I although I hope they don't, SCOTUS could also take this part of the Second Amendment A well regulated Militia..., literally. Since well regulated referred to trained, if there is ever a case brought before SCOTUS on nationwide reciprocity they could well decide that a minimum proficiency standard is within the scope of the Second Amendment. Think about that one.

CatSnoutSoup said:
You might think that, but just yesterday from a three judge panel there...

txgunrights.org

Fifth Circuit Rules Against Suppressors—What This Means for Gun Owners and the “Made in Texas” Suppressor Law - Texas Gun Rights

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, once considered a stronghold for Second Amendment protections, has delivered a major setback to gun owners and firearms rights advocates by ruling that suppressors are not covered under the Second Amendment. This decision has serious implications—not just for...
txgunrights.org txgunrights.org


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Garys said:
Were silencers in "common use" at the time of the founding of the nation or shortly thereafter? I agree that silencers aren't firearms and think that the NFA on this is stupid. However I think that the 5CA is going to take Bruen literally.

I although I hope they don't, SCOTUS could also take this part of the Second Amendment A well regulated Militia..., literally. Since well regulated referred to trained, if there is ever a case brought before SCOTUS on nationwide reciprocity they could well decide that a minimum proficiency standard is within the scope of the Second Amendment. Think about that one.
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First statement …no silencers weren’t invented til like the late 1800s with maxim making the first commercial successful right about the turn of the century. That doesn’t matter heller is not “used during the founding”, from its heller “in common use for lawful purposes including self defense”. Anti courts like to ignore the lawful purposes and harp on “self defense only”

Silencers are firearms according to the GCA!


Second statement…that ship has sailed in part to heller. They maybe able to something with Bruen and “permitting”
 
Garys said:
Were silencers in "common use" at the time of the founding of the nation or shortly thereafter? I agree that silencers aren't firearms and think that the NFA on this is stupid. However I think that the 5CA is going to take Bruen literally.

I although I hope they don't, SCOTUS could also take this part of the Second Amendment A well regulated Militia..., literally. Since well regulated referred to trained, if there is ever a case brought before SCOTUS on nationwide reciprocity they could well decide that a minimum proficiency standard is within the scope of the Second Amendment. Think about that one.
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Regulated means both trained and equipped.

But the measurement isn’t if silencers were in common use then. It’s if there were any analogous laws banning firearm attachments. Pretty sure there weren’t.
 

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