Modern muzzleloader advice

[PappyM3]

So, I’m brand new to muzzle loading.

There is lots of information out there about black powder and black powder substitutes in traditional muzzle loaders.

There is a decent amount of information about modern muzzle loaders with inline ignition and smokeless powders.

… but is it safe to use “black powder substitutes” in a modern smokeless muzzleloader to be compliant with MA’s primitive firearm season? Will there be issues with an inline ignition system with the black powder substitutes?

Specifically, I’m looking at a prefit barrel for a bolt action that uses a breach plug and rifle primers.

 

[Sparkey]

I have not seen any that use rifle primers but could be wrong everything I have used is 209 shotgun primers. What prefit barrel are you looking at ?

 

[whacko]

So, I’m brand new to muzzle loading.

There is lots of information out there about black powder and black powder substitutes in traditional muzzle loaders.

There is a decent amount of information about modern muzzle loaders with inline ignition and smokeless powders.

… but is it safe to use “black powder substitutes” in a modern smokeless muzzleloader to be compliant with MA’s primitive firearm season? Will there be issues with an inline ignition system with the black powder substitutes?

Specifically, I’m looking at a prefit barrel for a bolt action that uses a breach plug and rifle primers.

It is fine to use bp substitutes for primitive season in mass

In line muzzle loaders are designed perfectly for bp substitutes.

I've never heard of a muzzle.loader that uses rifle primers. Caps like #10 or #11 and 209 shotgun primers are the only ones i am aware of. Most inline muzzle loaders are 209 primers these days.

 

[buckhunter]

I've been using both an Thompson Center Omega with pyrodex pellets and Power Belt bullets for years and taken many deer from 25 yards out to 100 yards no issue. Also use my Thompson Greyhawk as well with Pyrodex loose powder with the same bullets with great results. Grey Hawk is traditional cap lock Omega use 209 primer usually Winchester. Never really looked into the new stuff yet.

 

[PappyM3]

I have not seen any that use rifle primers but could be wrong everything I have used is 209 shotgun primers. What prefit barrel are you looking at ?

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[PappyM3]

It is fine to use bp substitutes for primitive season in mass

In line muzzle loaders are designed perfectly for bp substitutes.

I've never heard of a muzzle.loader that uses rifle primers. Caps like #10 or #11 and 209 shotgun primers are the only ones i am aware of. Most inline muzzle loaders are 209 primers these days.

The smokeless muzzleloaders I’m seeing are loaded with actual modern smokeless powder, like IMR4198. I figured the BP substitutes would be less pressure than modern smokeless powders so it would be okay, but I wasn’t sure.

 

[whacko]

The smokeless muzzleloaders I’m seeing are loaded with actual modern smokeless powder, like IMR4198. I figured the BP substitutes would be less pressure than modern smokeless powders so it would be okay, but I wasn’t sure.

I've never heard of a smokeless powder muzzle loader.

As smokeless powder and bp/bp substitutes are completely different animals if it's designed for smokeless stick with smokeless. Using smokeless loose in a muzzle loader seems odd to me.....with all the different powders available with totally different burn rates, charge weights etc it doesn't make sense to me.

I saw the link you posted to the barrel your looking at....$675 for just the barrel? You can buy a plethora of modern inline muzzle loaders that take bp for way less that'll still get you hunting.

 

[PappyM3]

I've never heard of a smokeless powder muzzle loader.

As smokeless powder and bp/bp substitutes are completely different animals if it's designed for smokeless stick with smokeless. Using smokeless loose in a muzzle loader seems odd to me.....with all the different powders available with totally different burn rates, charge weights etc it doesn't make sense to me.

I saw the link you posted to the barrel your looking at....$675 for just the barrel? You can buy a plethora of modern inline muzzle loaders that take bp for way less that'll still get you hunting.

Just trying to reduce clutter. Using a spare barrel threaded on in the fall takes up less space than another complete rifle.

For those using smokeless muzzle loaders, it seems mostly done with saboted bullets to ensure pressure is retained for a good burn.

 

[PappyM3]

Looking at similar factory builds, it seems like Blackhorn 209 is doable in a muzzle loader designed for smokeless powder.

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[whacko]

Looking at similar factory builds, it seems like Blackhorn 209 is doable in a muzzle loader designed for smokeless powder.

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