Navy "intelligence"

So as mentioned above, less than a year into his command he gets fired and while on deployment which would seem to suggest it was something fairly serious. From the story at the link above:

ā€œThe Navy fired the commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain for what it termed ā€œa loss of confidence in his ability to command the guided-missile destroyer.ā€

Cmdr. Cameron Yaste, who has commanded the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer since October 2023, was relieved of command during its current deployment in the Middle East, where it has been operating since April while assigned to the U.S. Fifth Fleet.ā€

Now a question for all you Navy guys, is relieving commanders every year a common thing, historically? I ask because going to that link and reading the story, at the bottom are links to additional stories. Without leaving that page, I noted 9 other similar stories all within the last year:

Navy fires captain of ship that ran aground in Africa /Jul 8 2024

Navy fires USS Somersetā€™s commanding officer following investigation /Jun 7 2024

Navy captain relieved for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ following investigation /Apr 5 2024

Navy fires captain of USS Ohio guided missile submarine /Mar 13 2024

Navy fires commodore of destroyer squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 10 2024

Navy fires captain of a destroyer for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 6 2024

Navy fires commander of E/A-18G squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 22 2023

Navy fires head of Amphibious Squadron 5 for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 2 2023

Captain of missile submarine USS Alabama fired for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Sep 25 2023


Getting canned for running the ship aground makes sense but all these others?
Is it any different from personnel sweeps at other branches of armed forces?
 
I couldn't imagine getting that many blanks. Every f***ing combat training or whatever they had us doing with blanks I'd get like 20 rounds for the entire exercise. [rofl]

So retarded. We'd drive an entire battalion from MA to Fort Drum just to immediately skin flint the entire thing.
When was that? I have been on that trip in 1972, also went to AP Hill I think in 1973. At least we were able to go there by plane. I was in a battalion support unit at the time. The unit was once a Mech-infantry unit but switch to battalion support.
 
When was that? I have been on that trip in 1972, also went to AP Hill I think in 1973. At least we were able to go there by plane. I was in a battalion support unit at the time. The unit was once a Mech-infantry unit but switch to battalion support.
Mid 2000s.
 
So as mentioned above, less than a year into his command he gets fired and while on deployment which would seem to suggest it was something fairly serious. From the story at the link above:

ā€œThe Navy fired the commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain for what it termed ā€œa loss of confidence in his ability to command the guided-missile destroyer.ā€

Cmdr. Cameron Yaste, who has commanded the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer since October 2023, was relieved of command during its current deployment in the Middle East, where it has been operating since April while assigned to the U.S. Fifth Fleet.ā€

Now a question for all you Navy guys, is relieving commanders every year a common thing, historically? I ask because going to that link and reading the story, at the bottom are links to additional stories. Without leaving that page, I noted 9 other similar stories all within the last year:

Navy fires captain of ship that ran aground in Africa /Jul 8 2024

Navy fires USS Somersetā€™s commanding officer following investigation /Jun 7 2024

Navy captain relieved for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ following investigation /Apr 5 2024

Navy fires captain of USS Ohio guided missile submarine /Mar 13 2024

Navy fires commodore of destroyer squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 10 2024

Navy fires captain of a destroyer for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 6 2024

Navy fires commander of E/A-18G squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 22 2023

Navy fires head of Amphibious Squadron 5 for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 2 2023

Captain of missile submarine USS Alabama fired for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Sep 25 2023


Getting canned for running the ship aground makes sense but all these others?

The Navy does it a lot. Itā€™s usually 50/50 either something sexual or toxic leadership by screaming all the time, throwing things, constantly putting people down and not setting a healthy command climate with decent moral.
 
The Navy does it a lot. Itā€™s usually 50/50 either something sexual or toxic leadership by screaming all the time, throwing things, constantly putting people down and not setting a healthy command climate with decent moral.
Dealing with a shitty officer is bad enough. Dealing with a shitty officer who your trapped on a ship with? I bet thats a nightmare.
 
It also seems as though Navy develops true leadership traits and principles much worse than the Army. They develop managers it seems.

I have a theory, and it's based on the West Pointers I served with and other interactions I've had throughout my life, and it goes like this:

Engineers disproportionately make poor leaders.

Most Navy officers are some sort of engineer, and so are West Pointers. I've always found that good leadership among engineers is more rare than it is among other career fields, even outside the military. Engineers can manage, but they can't lead as well. I don't know why (though I have ideas); it's just something I've observed all my life.

Might have to do with the engineering mindset, which is geared toward analysis and solutions. Good leaders understand that groups of men are not systems that can be analyzed and solved. Some engineers can shift that gear; most, it seems, cannot.
 
It also seems as though Navy develops true leadership traits and principles much worse than the Army. They develop managers it seems.
I was pretty lucky. All the brass I worked under were reasonable, smart people.

I did have to deal with the occasional retard E5 or E9 though. I think everyone has to do that though [rofl]
 
I was pretty lucky. All the brass I worked under were reasonable, smart people.

I did have to deal with the occasional retard E5 or E9 though. I think everyone has to do that though [rofl]

ā€œTo piggy back off what the commander said, it would BEHOOVE you to orientate ā€¦ā€

Quite a few senior NCOs just stealing oxygen until retirement.
 
ā€œTo piggy back off what the commander said, it would BEHOOVE you to orientate ā€¦ā€

Quite a few senior NCOs just stealing oxygen until retirement.
If I saw E8 or higher the sham shield cloak was instantly activated.

There was only 1 E9 who I liked. He was from the Puerto Rican national guard. Great dude. Smart, fair and looked out for his guys. He unfortunately died shortly after our deployment from some illness.
 
ā€œTo piggy back off what the commander said, it would BEHOOVE you to orientate ā€¦ā€

The sheer number of senior NCOs who believe "behoove" was actually "be huah of" (using the fabled "huah!" cry as an adjective) used to stagger me.
 
So as mentioned above, less than a year into his command he gets fired and while on deployment which would seem to suggest it was something fairly serious. From the story at the link above:

ā€œThe Navy fired the commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain for what it termed ā€œa loss of confidence in his ability to command the guided-missile destroyer.ā€

Cmdr. Cameron Yaste, who has commanded the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer since October 2023, was relieved of command during its current deployment in the Middle East, where it has been operating since April while assigned to the U.S. Fifth Fleet.ā€

Now a question for all you Navy guys, is relieving commanders every year a common thing, historically? I ask because going to that link and reading the story, at the bottom are links to additional stories. Without leaving that page, I noted 9 other similar stories all within the last year:

Navy fires captain of ship that ran aground in Africa /Jul 8 2024

Navy fires USS Somersetā€™s commanding officer following investigation /Jun 7 2024

Navy captain relieved for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ following investigation /Apr 5 2024

Navy fires captain of USS Ohio guided missile submarine /Mar 13 2024

Navy fires commodore of destroyer squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 10 2024

Navy fires captain of a destroyer for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 6 2024

Navy fires commander of E/A-18G squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 22 2023

Navy fires head of Amphibious Squadron 5 for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 2 2023

Captain of missile submarine USS Alabama fired for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Sep 25 2023


Getting canned for running the ship aground makes sense but all these others?
Sounds like their leadership is f***ed. If you are constantly firing your underlings, something is wrong with you, not them. Either you canā€™t hire, or canā€™t manage.
 
I have a theory, and it's based on the West Pointers I served with and other interactions I've had throughout my life, and it goes like this:

Engineers disproportionately make poor leaders.

Most Navy officers are some sort of engineer, and so are West Pointers. I've always found that good leadership among engineers is more rare than it is among other career fields, even outside the military. Engineers can manage, but they can't lead as well. I don't know why (though I have ideas); it's just something I've observed all my life.

Might have to do with the engineering mindset, which is geared toward analysis and solutions. Good leaders understand that groups of men are not systems that can be analyzed and solved. Some engineers can shift that gear; most, it seems, cannot.
As an engineer myself, I can confirm this. Almost all really good engineers have at least a touch of Asperger's. Great individual contributors, but not great in leadership roles.
 
Thatā€™s probably what the Gunners Mate made him look like a moron by mounting the scope back ass backwards.
Im not sure if it was a set up or not.

What i have a major problem is the people around him including himself didnt seem to notice. Major incompetence.
 
not sure if it was a set up or not.
you think he personally mounted that scope on that rifle? :) i would not assume that for a second. somebody did a number on him, or it was just a screwup of colossal proportions, due to sequential offsourcing this task to some total moron.
 
you think he personally mounted that scope on that rifle? :) i would not assume that for a second. somebody did a number on him, or it was just a screwup of colossal proportions, due to sequential offsourcing this task to some total moron.
I just think if someone hands you a rifle with the friggen scope on backwards even a novice would know theres a big problem.
 
He may not have been the first or the last sailor to shoot that rifle in that configuration. :oops:
 
I just think if someone hands you a rifle with the friggen scope on backwards even a novice would know theres a big problem.
if he was properly hated, then it would make sense of why it was done, and the fact that he himself at his rank had no idea what end of the scope should face his mug - well, is also very indicative.
i still would vote sabotage first, but, may indeed be a wider issue as well. sad if the latter is true.
 
So as mentioned above, less than a year into his command he gets fired and while on deployment which would seem to suggest it was something fairly serious. From the story at the link above:

ā€œThe Navy fired the commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain for what it termed ā€œa loss of confidence in his ability to command the guided-missile destroyer.ā€

Cmdr. Cameron Yaste, who has commanded the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer since October 2023, was relieved of command during its current deployment in the Middle East, where it has been operating since April while assigned to the U.S. Fifth Fleet.ā€

Now a question for all you Navy guys, is relieving commanders every year a common thing, historically? I ask because going to that link and reading the story, at the bottom are links to additional stories. Without leaving that page, I noted 9 other similar stories all within the last year:

Navy fires captain of ship that ran aground in Africa /Jul 8 2024

Navy fires USS Somersetā€™s commanding officer following investigation /Jun 7 2024

Navy captain relieved for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ following investigation /Apr 5 2024

Navy fires captain of USS Ohio guided missile submarine /Mar 13 2024

Navy fires commodore of destroyer squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 10 2024

Navy fires captain of a destroyer for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Feb 6 2024

Navy fires commander of E/A-18G squadron for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 22 2023

Navy fires head of Amphibious Squadron 5 for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Dec 2 2023

Captain of missile submarine USS Alabama fired for ā€˜loss of confidenceā€™ /Sep 25 2023


Getting canned for running the ship aground makes sense but all these others?

If the Navy is like the AF, then three quarters of these will be because they failed their PRT. šŸ˜‚
 
The US military is apparently devolving into 2nd world military paradigms.

That ain't good.
same reason why russia is unable to war wars no more. as when you start promoting people by political reasons and party loyalty instead of actual capabilities, you will get yes men and ass kissers loyal to you, sure, but, well, the helmets will be worn backwards and soldiers will be sent to meat grinders, in order to continue to maintain the office, not to win the war.

just a sign of a normal decay, and it seems some branches are affected more by a 'scope backwards' syndrome than others.
 
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