Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

VigilantesLiberi said:
100% this. I hope everything works out and the SCOTUS rulings get taken seriously in MA, but like this guy is saying: they already ignore existing rulings. Lots of people think everything gets to SCOTUS by July and boom. Then what? MA lesbians bust into flames and melt?
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Mass had a 100% perfect record on ignoring and twisting every pro-2A scotus opinion until last month.

Unless the SJC turns around and writes something like "We know what we said but the 2nd doesn't actually mean the same thing for guns as knives, trust us"

Canjura states a switchblade is no more dangerous than a similar manual folding knife. Likening a kinfe's dangerousness to its blade length and profile rather than its operating method.
So if I can have a manually loading rifle chambered in 223 then a semi-automatically loaded rifle is fine because it has similar lethality.
This is even more true when the mini-14 is specifically excluded when it has the same rate of fire and lethality as a banned AR platform rifle.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
I've said this before and I'll say it again. MA already does things that flies in the face of Bruen with no repercussions. Just look how Boston is doing with application processing. The SC has no power to enforce its rulings and when the Justice Department is on the side of gun grabbers there never will be enforcement. The SC can make rulings until they are blue in the face, but left leaning States will just ignore it and continue along their merry way. Pessimistic? Yeah probably. I hope that Bianchi gets to the SC and I hope the good guys win, but doubtful the State of MA will follow that directive.
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KH56010 said:
I get that we are all having fun here. But just need to clarify. That your Flux could weigh 500 ounces on 10/23 and still be legal.
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Understood

They (flux) don’t think it’s legal to ship to ma.

Just clarifying that today or 10/23 it’s all good here.
 
chris_1001 said:
No need for 8/1 as an under 50oz pistol with the new law.

What federal laws in this case?

Correct me if I’m wrong.
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I cannot decipher this… but I’ll try.

Legally possessing the FCU on 8/1 allows you to turn it into whatever you want under state law. This does not exempt you from federal law. For example, I’ve already heard guys at the range say things such as “I can’t wait to make an 8” AR pistol” and then “I’ll put this foregrip on it”. Well, you better not, because a VFG on a AR pistol is a no no under Federal Law.

The 50 ounce thing. If you had it in 8/1. It doesn’t exist.
 
KH56010 said:
I cannot decipher this… but I’ll try.

Legally possessing the FCU on 8/1 allows you to turn it into whatever you want under state law. This does not exempt you from federal law. For example, I’ve already heard guys at the range say things such as “I can’t wait to make an 8” AR pistol” and then “I’ll put this foregrip on it”. Well, you better not, because a VFG on a AR pistol is a no no under Federal Law.

The 50 ounce thing. If you had it in 8/1. It doesn’t exist.
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Correct. No VFG allowed.


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KH56010 said:
I cannot decipher this… but I’ll try.

Legally possessing the FCU on 8/1 allows you to turn it into whatever you want under state law. This does not exempt you from federal law. For example, I’ve already heard guys at the range say things such as “I can’t wait to make an 8” AR pistol” and then “I’ll put this foregrip on it”. Well, you better not, because a VFG on a AR pistol is a no no under Federal Law.

The 50 ounce thing. If you had it in 8/1. It doesn’t exist.
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1. It’s not a vertical for grip. It’s angled.

2. It’s under 50 ounces as built. Not an an assault weapon (Clinton ban or MA ASW ban)

3. Braces are good to go Federal and in MA.

4. The new law does not apply as it’s a pistol
 
KH56010 said:
The flux doesn’t need to be legal. As long as you legally had the FCU on 8/1 and meet all the federal laws you’re good
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I don’t think this is the case.

You had to have an “Assault Style Firearm” legally possessed on 8/1.

It doesn’t say any firearm possessed on 8/1 shall not be considered an assault style firearm.

A FCU is not an assault style firearm by itself so you’re out of luck.

Ironically, AR lowers can ostensibly do this because receivers of copies and duplicates are assault style firearms in the new law.

This isn’t relevant because the flux is likely legal for other reasons, but I think it’s a distinction worth noting.
 
Hombiez said:
I don’t think this is the case.

You had to have an “Assault Style Firearm” legally possessed on 8/1.

It doesn’t say any firearm possessed on 8/1 shall not be considered an assault style firearm.

A FCU is not an assault style firearm by itself so you’re out of luck.

Ironically, AR lowers can ostensibly do this because receivers of copies and duplicates are assault style firearms in the new law.

This isn’t relevant because the flux is likely legal for other reasons, but I think it’s a distinction worth noting.
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I do not see any reason the flux raider as built today or 10/23 is running afoul any laws, federal or MA

@pastera @CrackPot
 
What's the differentiating factor between an afg and a vfg? Anything other than 90 degrees relative to the handguard? Any 89 degree "afg"'s out there?
 
headednorth said:
What's the differentiating factor between an afg and a vfg? Anything other than 90 degrees relative to the handguard? Any 89 degree "afg"'s out there?
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Yup. Magpul AFG.

But in the case of a Flux, it specifically states

“NOT A VFG” On the front grip. It’s molded into the frame (the verbiage)
 
chris_1001 said:
Yup. Magpul AFG.

But in the case of a Flux, it specifically states

“NOT A VFG” On the front grip. It’s molded into the frame (the verbiage)
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I guess what Im asking is when does an afg become a vfg? Is an accessory that is at 89 degrees relative to the handguard an afg?
 
chris_1001 said:
I do not see any reason the flux raider as built today or 10/23 is running afoul any laws, federal or MA

@pastera @CrackPot
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I’m not saying it is.

I’m just saying that people shouldn’t think they can do anything with anything owned on 8/1.

Only something that was an assault style firearm according to any of the new tests lawfully possessed on 8/1 can upgrade. Everything else doesn’t get covered by the exemption in 131M sub B.

If you have a unassembled receiver that isn’t a copy or duplicate under the new definition and doesn’t end up on the new roster, you don’t have a path to a lawfully assembled Assault-Style firearm.

For example a mini 14 ranch cannot add additional features under this language even if possessed prior to 8/1.

I’m not commenting on whether the Flux itself is an assault style firearm. Just saying that a FCU can’t be upgraded to an assault style firearm.
 
Hombiez said:
I don’t think this is the case.

You had to have an “Assault Style Firearm” legally possessed on 8/1.

It doesn’t say any firearm possessed on 8/1 shall not be considered an assault style firearm.

A FCU is not an assault style firearm by itself so you’re out of luck.

Ironically, AR lowers can ostensibly do this because receivers of copies and duplicates are assault style firearms in the new law.

This isn’t relevant because the flux is likely legal for other reasons, but I think it’s a distinction worth noting.
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So, if you want want to have the argument and make me pull up the laws I will. But you should just go read them. The whole reason. The ENTIRE reason that everything as of 8/1 is preban on 10/23 is because it is all an assault style firearm. This isn’t based off what the manufacturer stated when they sold it to you. If you legally possessed an FCU on 8/1. And can state “I bought this with the intent of turning this into an assault style firearm. Therefore this was a receiver of an assault style firearm on 8/1”. Then it’s preban. Now, if you want to run to the AG or DA or Police and state on record “ I bought this with the pure intent of making it a single stack 45 ACP pistol that weighed 24 ounces” I mean.. have at it. But why would you..
 
Hombiez said:
I’m not saying it is.

I’m just saying that people shouldn’t think they can do anything with anything owned on 8/1.

Only something that was an assault style firearm according to any of the new tests lawfully possessed on 8/1 can upgrade. Everything else doesn’t get covered by the exemption in 131M sub B.

If you have a unassembled receiver that isn’t a copy or duplicate under the new definition and doesn’t end up on the new roster, you don’t have a path to a lawfully assembled Assault-Style firearm.

For example a mini 14 ranch cannot add additional features under this language even if possessed prior to 8/1.

I’m not commenting on whether the Flux itself is an assault style firearm. Just saying that a FCU can’t be upgraded to an assault style firearm.
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Ok, not going to get into an argument that has useless replies tacked on. Just simply. Cite with quotes, the section of the new law to support this wild argument.
 

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