The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[rexaboo115]

That might have been my post, my cousin had put that on FB, he was the instructor. I reposted here. And yes, Webster.

ETA, here is the post

The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

No one really knows at this point, the best we can do is educated guesses. I would guess that in-flight licenses may go through because of the 90 day enactment of the bill (10/22 I think). But again, that is one dude's guess, I wouldn't waste too much brain power trying to figure it out until...

www.northeastshooters.com

That's some BS.

 

[Night_solstice]

That's some BS.

Townsend PD had my wife and MIL make sure to get in yesterday and today (before 8/1) when they called last week to schedule.

 

[M125X]

Comm2A's website has been dormant since 2019. Not sure they are a thing anymore.

They are definitely still a thing, but if they want more donations they should consider a revamp of their site. I’ve donated a few hundred to them this year.

 

[MFSP101]

Comm2A's website has been dormant since 2019. Not sure they are a thing anymore.

Saw this myself today. I hope they are doing something. They accepted 4 months of payments last year until I realized I set up monthly and not one time payment.

 

[M125X]

Saw this myself today. I hope they are doing something. They accepted 4 months of payments last year until I realized I set up monthly and not one time payment.

LOL I did the same thing this year

 

[EJFudd]

They are definitely still a thing, but if they want more donations they should consider a revamp of their site. I’ve donated a few hundred to them this year.

I just found their FacePlant page. Last post was made on February 5th of this year. More posts in 2023 and 2022. So I guess they are still alive as an organization... just not very active.

 

[M125X]

Apparently on X too, latest repost was yesterday:

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[alan226]

Lol.

"Currently the Department of State Police is working expeditiously with the Municipal Police Training Commission, the Firearms Records Bureau and the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security to develop guidance and regulations to comply with the new requirements in advance of the October 23, 2024 deadline."

"Expeditiously."

Thanks, Kristin. I'm sure this'll be a seamless rollout.

Anyone who moves into the state with guns now has no way to get legal until they expeditiously figure out how to make this happen. I hope they're not holding their breath.

So if it takes 6-12 (or more) months to develop the program, no new licenses to be issued. A de facto hold on issuing new licenses.

Pretty effing sneaky, considering they probably knew about this for a year and could have rolled it out with this crappy bill.

Nice....

 

[MGnoob]

DO NOT COMPLY!!!

View: https://youtu.be/PJe754cLbok?si=R2ceYWGzUfNGwAGQ

 

[M125X]

So if it takes 6-12 (or more) months to develop the program, no new licenses to be issued. A de facto hold on issuing new licenses.

Pretty effing sneaky, considering they probably knew about this for a year and could have rolled it out with this crappy bill.

Nice....

NRA, GOAL, FPC, Comm2A, GOA, etc should all be going after this

 

[pastera]

The fact that they claim the SP and chiefs support the bill doesn't mean it was either unopposed or that all the rank-and-file support it. The officers in my town that I've spoken to do not support it for a variety of reasons, not necessarily the same.

But they will enforce it - so yes, they support putting you in a cage for owning the same object they are allowed to have without consequence

The very definition of tyranny

 

[JDL]

Townsend PD had my wife and MIL make sure to get in yesterday and today (before 8/1) when they called last week to schedule.

So how is this going to work out? The law states if you have a licence before 8/1/2024, not if you get your application in before 8/1/2024. Keep us posted I am not sure you have bypassed the law. It is not feasible to have them issue a licence before 8/1/2024 when you have just applied. I would be interested how the state handles this and I hope it is not by issueing a denial.

 

[Jenska22]

So if it takes 6-12 (or more) months to develop the program, no new licenses to be issued. A de facto hold on issuing new licenses.

Pretty effing sneaky, considering they probably knew about this for a year and could have rolled it out with this crappy bill.

Nice....

'A" year? They've been fussing with this for almost 2 years, and damn well knew where they wanted to go. 4607 itself was almost a year ago and it was 2xxx or something before that. They could have had all the requirements ready to go on day one IF THEY WANTED. Just the political form of passive aggressive.

 

[JDL]

'A" year? They've been fussing with this for almost 2 years, and damn well knew where they wanted to go. 4607 itself was almost a year ago and it was 2xxx or something before that. They could have had all the requirements ready to go on day one IF THEY WANTED. Just the political form of passive aggressive.

They are not going to even feel any pressure for at least 90 days.

 

[slugworth]

View: https://youtu.be/FIjd6AN8H1I?si=nELvesIsOSodLmL5

 

[Coyote33]

But they will enforce it - so yes, they support putting you in a cage for owning the same object they are allowed to have without consequence

The very definition of tyranny

Yeah, but who is going to do anything about it? And if so, what?

"What you tolerate, you validate. What you put up with, you DESERVE!"
~Scrivener

 

[kevin9]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a firearms instructor LMAOO!!!

And maybe an NES member too (I have a name in mind)???

 

[Hardwired]

M1 is on the appendix A list of "good" guns so it is fine

The M1 Carbine variant is listed on Appendix A, but the M1A (M14 semi-auto) is NOT. However it is listed on the 2016 FAQ as a good gun as I posted above from the mouth of Mauron when wood stock no pistol grip pee shooters were “safe”.

I have a pre-ban M1A with an extra killy pork sticker lug and flash hider.

 

[LakeTrout]

I read thru some of it, from what I read he justified by saying LCM's were used in mass shootings, but so were AR's so go figure.

That’s stupid. Whether or not they’re used in mass shootings has no bearing on whether or not they’re constitutionally protected.

 

[Picton]

That’s stupid. Whether or not they’re used in mass shootings has no bearing on whether or not they’re constitutionally protected.

Yep. If that was his reasoning, he's still using the old "interest balancing" test. That's a no-no now.

 

[pastera]

The M1 Carbine variant is listed on Appendix A, but the M1A (M14 semi-auto) is NOT. However it is listed on the 2016 FAQ as a good gun as I posted above from the mouth of Mauron when wood stock no pistol grip pee shooters were “safe”.

I have a pre-ban M1A with an extra killy pork sticker lug and flash hider.

Helps if I was paying that close of attention.
I knew that there was a document linked on the healy ban "explanation" page that listed it - went brain dead trying to grab info on a phone by just searching M1

 

[Hardwired]

I found this interesting:

View attachment 904204

Just got this email:

Good Afternoon,

As you are aware, on July 25, 2024, Governor Healey signed into law An Act Modernizing Firearms Laws (https://www.mass.gov/doc/h4885-an-a...chaptered-scanned-copy-attached-here/download). Part of this new law has made changes to the Basic Firearms Instructor Certification Program to include but not limited to:

1. The State Police’s development of a universal written examination to be utilized by all instructors.
2. All Basic Firearms Safety (BFS) Courses must include the following components:
   1. (A) the safe use, handling and storage of firearms;
   2. (B) methods for securing and childproofing firearms;
   3. (C) the applicable laws relating to the possession, transportation and storage of firearms;
   4. (D) knowledge of operation, potential dangers and basic competency in the ownership and use of firearms;
   5. (E) injury and suicide prevention and harm reduction education;
   6. (F) applicable laws relating to the use of force;
   7. (G) disengagement tactics; and
   8. (H) live firearms training.
3. Copies of a new BFS student certificate shall now be forwarded to DCJIS.
4. Any individual in possession of a License to Carry Firearms or Firearms Identification Card prior to August 1, 2024, does not have to re-take a BFS course for renewal purposes.
5. A Hunter Safety Course will only be a sufficient substitute for a BFS course for FID applications.

This law goes into effect 90 days from the date of signing – or October 23, 2024.

Currently the Department of State Police is working expeditiously with the Municipal Police Training Commission, the Firearms Records Bureau and the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security to develop guidance and regulations to comply with the new requirements in advance of the October 23, 2024 deadline.

Unfortunately, any classes taught after August 1, 2024, that do not adhere to the updated curriculum will not be sufficient for the issuance of an LTC. This will need to be disclosed to potential students.

Over the next few weeks we anticipate more correspondence with you, as an instructor, to provide additional information, survey’s, guidelines for accepting new course curriculum, and any changes to this newly signed law.

This would be a good time to submit any overdue student verification forms.

I appreciate your cooperation and patience as we maneuver together through this new legislation.

Sincerely,

Kristin


Kristin M. Ryan
Firearms Licensing
Massachusetts State Police
470 Worcester Road
Framingham, MA 01702
508-820-2299
Firearms.licensing@pol.state.ma.us

Spoke to someone doing MA firearms NRA training he will no longer be doing it. I suspect many will drop out with a range required with a bunch of students needing a paid rental place.

I took the NRA course at a club and the Hunter course. Those are worthless now for newbies and you need an LTC to have a chance at staying out of line with nutty MA Commie laws.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

The M1 Carbine variant is listed on Appendix A, but the M1A (M14 semi-auto) is NOT. However it is listed on the 2016 FAQ as a good gun as I posted above from the mouth of Mauron when wood stock no pistol grip pee shooters were “safe”.

I have a pre-ban M1A with an extra killy pork sticker lug and flash hider.

But it won’t be under the new two feature test in the new law…..Correct?

Unless it was legally owned 8/1. I referring back to the original question.

 

[Hardwired]

Zero Hour been gone for like what 10 years at least?

I went there once, or at least tried. Had a sign on the door closed early. I’m in the car a bit irritated as I went way out of my way to go there and then find the bunker at the end of that drive.

So the door opens and a bunch of cops are leaving and he’s hob knobbing with them. Got out to talk with Mr Zero and he’s like we’re closed and shut the door. F him, never went back. Overpriced shit as I understand anyway.

 

[Hardwired]

But it won’t be under the new two feature test in the new law…..Correct?

Unless it was legally owned 8/1. I referring back to the original question.

Yeah all legal and registered long ago so they can “come and take it” lol.

 

[Night_solstice]

So how is this going to work out? The law states if you have a licence before 8/1/2024, not if you get your application in before 8/1/2024. Keep us posted I am not sure you have bypassed the law. It is not feasible to have them issue a licence before 8/1/2024 when you have just applied. I would be interested how the state handles this and I hope it is not by issueing a denial.

Training program was pre-8/1 and application was submitted pre-8/1. Now if they took the class post 8/1 and applied then, then I could see that it wouldn't be accepted as the class would have been after the ruling took effect.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Yeah all legal and registered long ago so they can “come and take it” lol.

I hear ya…………Don’t say that too loud some idjit will yellow flag your ass.

I was referring back to the OP’s father’s situation:

My father was looking at a couple local gun stores for a specific rifle. He came up empty. He popped into bass pro and they had it coming in on a delivery. He asked if it would be there before August 1. The guy he was talking to said why does that matter? He said because of the bill that passed. The guy claimed to be a compliance officer for bass pro and said that it doesn’t matter as long as you’re over the age of 21. I told him that that sounds like a crock of shit and the guy probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He said the guy claimed if you look through the bill it’s all in there. You just have to look for it. He claims my father would have no issue picking up the rifle, even if it was after August 1.

Springfield m1a1

 

[71montess]

A cop friend of mine had to call the state to inquire about the gun laws for a couple people who called. He was told they don’t know what the new gun laws mean yet. They couldn’t answer his questions.

 

[ddeck]

Training program was pre-8/1 and application was submitted pre-8/1. Now if they took the class post 8/1 and applied then, then I could see that it wouldn't be accepted as the class would have been after the ruling took effect.

Or if they took the class pre 8/1 but the “interview” has taken 90 days so far, then what?

I’m not expecting an answer but this porks a lot of people.

 

[808]

Did I miss this part? Full of $hit?