The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Spartan65]

Sons of Liberty in Texas. Depends on who they shipped them to

That’s what I was saying.

Cuz it’s Merica AF and I would pay the price to own one of them…

 

[BigTimber]

If you think that behaving in passive-aggressive ways is "resistance" then you have no idea what actual resistance even is.

If you think that getting arrested for breaking a law is somehow "resisting" that law, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[2/1Marine]

I have never seen anything there that was post 94 there when I went in. Not often and not in a year.

So… maybe?

Supposedly he berated a member who asked about lowers… I was not there.

I live down the street from that shop and would rather drive to 100 other shops before shopping there.

 

[Coyote33]

In the spirit of the Olympics, and this new idiot generated legislation:

Mutiny on the Vault

Nearly 20 years ago, Stick It raged against the judges of women’s gymnastics. Its writer and director remembers how Disney almost sabotaged her film.

www.vulture.com

That intrigue dissipates fast, however, when The Man gets involved. The judges are on a hot streak of a**h***-ness, deducting points across all gymnasts for the most trivial reasons. “It doesn’t matter how well you do,” Haley narrates in one scene, “it’s how well you follow their rules.” And then, a defiant breaking point: When one of her teammates loses out on a perfect vault score because her bra strap was showing, Haley decides to stage a rebellion where all of the gymnasts, in solidarity, “scratch” their routines to choose the winner themselves in the four apparatuses. It’s about them, for them. They’re done being obedient to an archaic and broken system.

 

[Picton]

I live down the street from that shop and would rather drive to 100 other shops before shopping there.

I've never been there. Sounds like I'm not missing much.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Check out these two posts:
1.

MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

Don’t sweet it, that one bothered me two. “won”

www.northeastshooters.com

2.

The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

That’s usually the missing piece - implementation. It takes 12-18mo to spec out a system, bid creation of the system and get it online, assuming it’s funded and staffed from the get-go. And it’s usually not, so 2yr+ is a good estimate. My lesson from MA’s Non-Res LTC system is that, knowing...

www.northeastshooters.com

Absolutely, agree.

I hope it doesn’t come to that but I’m not sure if its avoidable anymore.

 

[Warm_Garand]

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And STILL you don't get it.

She didn't get arrested for (brainlessly) "not caring what the law is".

It was a deliberate strategy, enacted by an organized resistance.

 

[BigTimber]

And STILL you don't get it.

She didn't get arrested for "not caring what the law is".

It was a deliberate strategy, enacted by an organized resistance.

No sadly you are the one not getting it. Just go back in your coral sheep.

 

[chris_1001]

I live down the street from that shop and would rather drive to 100 other shops before shopping there.

So why have you not come to a meet?

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

Mine too. The licensing officer is very pro 2A and has told me to go get my C&R. I’ve been dragging my feet waiting to see what this law would do, which turned out to be nothing. I nag him to get his GMRS license.

The heck with GMRS, get your ham ticket and talk to the entire world!

WX1USN Jeff (Amateur Extra)

 

[BroncoAZ]

How is it that you don't understand that one can comply with a law (so the State doesn't have an easy way to take you down) AND resist?

ETA: You understand that Sherif/MAGA Arms was breaking no laws, right? He obeyed the laws, to the letter of the law--and he also went ass-to-mouth on the AG's office.

 

[goodzilla]

It is my fervent hope that what I fully expect to become a tsunami of litigational challenges will in and of themselves help to correct that oversight.

Legislators should be held personally responsible (financially) for any unconstitutional legislation they pass. But I’d bet we’d see term limit legislation before that happens.

 

[TG Pioneer]

The heck with GMRS, get your ham ticket and talk to the entire world!

WX1USN Jeff (Amateur Extra)

The GMRS thing is to get our people on a local radio network in case of a national emergency. Ham comes later after a great deal of learning.

 

[71montess]

I am as well. Because I am not a criminal. And people who break laws they just don't feel like following out of slothful, petulant, passive-aggressive, pot-smoking, oppositional-defiant personality deficits aren't "resisting tyranny", they are just garden-variety shitbag-slacker criminals. Right?

What kind of retard loses his 2A rights forever by getting popped blithely driving around with loaded, unsecured standard-capacity magazines?

Hurrrr!--IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT!----Hurrrr!

REAL resistance isn't about doing whatever you want, comfortable in the statistical notion that you probably won't get caught.

You must have been in Law enforcement.

 

[71montess]

Mine too. The licensing officer is very pro 2A and has told me to go get my C&R. I’ve been dragging my feet waiting to see what this law would do, which turned out to be nothing. I nag him to get his GMRS license.

I've got mine.

 

[Harry Christopher]

This recently passed gun disarmament legislation is the worst piece of progressive woke nonsense that has appeared on our horizon in the last 50 years or so. By design and intent it does absolutely nothing to address the very real and tangible issue of street crime that is apparent to even a legally blind observer. It's entire purpose is to remove the legal ability of citizens to lawfully choose if they wish to avail themselves of their Constitutional Civil Right to own firearms as tools to defend their families and themselves. This legislation would be more accurately defined as the Increase Victimization Act of 2024.

The gun community response will be varied and to a certain extent multi-generational. Some people will be able to move their households to various parts of what is euphemistically referred to as Free America. Other people will not have that option due to economic, family, health and career considerations even if they did wish to enjoy seeing the Republic slowly fade away in their rear view mirrors.

The most gut wrenching situation our extended family had to confront was sending a member and his girlfriend off to Afghanistan and Iraq deployments. The last thing we said to them was that they should do whatever was required to ensure that they both returned home alive and in one piece. They were told that no matter what decisions they had to make to achieve that result they would be completely supported by the family both during and after their deployments. Their boots were on the foreign ground so their opinions were the only ones that mattered to us.

I would respectfully suggest that there is no one size fits all response to this new anti-gun law. When the time arrives on each person's horizon every individual will have to examine their options and decide what action makes the most sense to them and their loved ones in light of their specific situations. The only correct choice is the one they and their families arrive at since they personally will bear the burnt of those decisions.

All other opinions outside the family on what actions they should or should not implement and execute are essentially white noise best reserved for the elevator music category.

Good luck to all of us as we confront this onrushing brave new world.

 

[2/1Marine]

So why have you not come to a meet?

The last couple ones in Franklin the timing hasn't worked for me. Between work and family stuff with my kids free time can be hard to find.
I'll keep my eye out for the next one and try to get there.

 

[drgrant]

I am as well. Because I am not a criminal. And people who break laws they just don't feel like following out of slothful, petulant, passive-aggressive, pot-smoking, oppositional-defiant personality deficits aren't "resisting tyranny", they are just garden-variety shitbag-slacker criminals. Right?

What kind of retard loses his 2A rights forever by getting popped blithely driving around with loaded, unsecured standard-capacity magazines?

Hurrrr!--IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT!----Hurrrr!

REAL resistance isn't about doing whatever you want, comfortable in the statistical notion that you probably won't get caught.

Lol here we go with this faggotry

 

[pastera]

"Ignore" or "Resist". There is a difference.

The passive-aggressive instinct is borne of cowardice, and the avoidance of confrontation.

I have not yet heard any "active" strategies of resistance actively proposed, ever. It would never occur to the Mass 2A community. You haven't even begun to creatively imagine what it would look like.

Are you a fed or in the lower quartile?

Why don't you start posting details on how you are going to actively resist?

For the majority of us, we have lives we wish not to give up on a fool's errand.
There are cases poised to strike down most of this crap mere months from being ripe for scotus. Violence or the mere threat of violence would turn the tides against us at this point - is that you end game?

 

[Rockrivr1]

Are you a fed or in the lower quartile?

Why don't you start posting details on how you are going to actively resist?

For the majority of us, we have lives we wish not to give up on a fool's errand.
There are cases poised to strike down most of this crap mere months from being ripe for scotus. Violence or the mere threat of violence would turn the tides against us at this point - is that you end game?

While I agree with you I think you are being overly optimistic. These cases are not making it to the SC for a least a year or more. Enough time as to cause damage to the gun community and FFLs before anything happens.

 

[JDL]

The GMRS thing is to get our people on a local radio network in case of a national emergency. Ham comes later after a great deal of learning.

Getting your amateur radio license is not that difficult, at least to get your Technession and General license is fairly easy, and the tests are relatively simple. There are a lot of study guides available, and many are free.
John
N1HM

 

[Picton]

While I agree with you I think you are being overly optimistic. These cases are not making it to the SC for a least a year or more. Enough time as to cause damage to the gun community and FFLs before anything happens.

Having read a LOT of @pastera layman-legal analysis over the past couple years, don't be offended when I take his legal guesses over yours.

I think he's very deliberate in considering the many, many cases nationwide currently working their way toward cert. Other than the usual, perfunctory "oh, but that'll take YEARS!!!!" Massachusetts defeatism, I haven't seen any actual analysis from you about why his opinions are wrong.

They might well be. But he backs up his opinions with facts, and that makes him rare around here. Why, specifically, do you doubt SCOTUS will take up these ripe cases?

 

[Rockrivr1]

Having read a LOT of @pastera layman-legal analysis over the past couple years, don't be offended when I take his legal guesses over yours.

I think he's very deliberate in considering the many, many cases nationwide currently working their way toward cert. Other than the usual, perfunctory "oh, but that'll take YEARS!!!!" Massachusetts defeatism, I haven't seen any actual analysis from you about why his opinions are wrong.

They might well be. But he backs up his opinions with facts, and that makes him rare around here. Why, specifically, do you doubt SCOTUS will take up these ripe cases?

I wouldn’t call it defeatism. More like realist. Basically if you look at the layers this will need to go through before it hits the SC I would suspect it’ll be longer than a few months. Say a month or two before it hits the first circuit and the wait for the decision. The inevitable appeal by either side and the time that will take and then the process to get the SC to accept the case. The SC will maybe hear the case and most likely will not rule on it until after the legislative session which I believe is June. That is only if the SC will hear the case. The NJ AR ruling will most definitely be in line as well.

Look I hope I’m wrong and just maybe the court will order a stay as it works through the system. Best case scenario is June before a decision is made.

Again I hope I’m wrong and it goes quicker.

 

[Picton]

I wouldn’t call it defeatism. More like realist. Basically if you look at the layers this will need to go through before it hits the SC I would suspect it’ll be longer than a few months. Say a month or two before it hits the first circuit and the wait for the decision. The inevitable appeal by either side and the time that will take and then the process to get the SC to accept the case. The SC will maybe hear the case and most likely will not rule on it until after the legislative session which I believe is June. That is only if the SC will hear the case. The NJ AR ruling will most definitely be in line as well.

Look I hope I’m wrong and just maybe the court will order a stay as it works through the system. Best case scenario is June before a decision is made.

Again I hope I’m wrong and it goes quicker.

I think what you're ignoring is that it HAS taken "years" for these cases to work their way through all those layers. They're not starting today. They all started many months (in some cases years) ago, and pastera and others have chronicled their movement through the courts this whole time.

This is why many of us are not in a big rush for GOAL or Comm2A to file broad suits against this new law. Those suits WOULD take years. The ones pastera is talking about are already well along in this process, and in some cases they're already ripe for cert.

 

[AFVet]

I haven't been around for a while, so i don't know if I missed it on here but. FPC put out a post about Maura Healy, and said. See you in court.

 

[inkdesigner]

I think what you're ignoring is that it HAS taken "years" for these cases to work their way through all those layers. They're not starting today. They all started many months (in some cases years) ago, and pastera and others have chronicled their movement through the courts this whole time.

This is why many of us are not in a big rush for GOAL or Comm2A to file broad suits against this new law. Those suits WOULD take years. The ones pastera is talking about are already well along in this process, and in some cases they're already ripe for cert.

I agree. The SC GVR'ed a number of cases at the same time as the Bruen decision. To date, NONE of these cases has been made it back to the SC. Heck, most were sent back to their respective Circuits, who then sent them back to there respective District. Since all these decisions came out of anti-2A courts, they are significantly dragging their feet, hoping there is a large change in the makeup of the USSC. I fully expect ANY case out of the 1st Circus that goes against us will take YEARS before they hear and decide. I would guess 5+ before anything from MA is in a position to be appealed to the USSC

 

[Picton]

I agree. The SC GVR'ed a number of cases at the same time as the Bruen decision. To date, NONE of these cases has been made it back to the SC. Heck, most were sent back to their respective Circuits, who then sent them back to there respective District. Since all these decisions came out of anti-2A courts, they are significantly dragging their feet, hoping there is a large change in the makeup of the USSC. I fully expect ANY case out of the 1st Circus that goes against us will take YEARS before they hear and decide. I would guess 5+ before anything from MA is in a position to be appealed to the USSC

Those GVRed cases are the ones that are nearly there.

A challenge to 4885 would not need to be GVRed, but it would still be at least a year and a half behind all those cases, even if we filed it today. And by the time it got all that far, it would be mooted by rulings that will hopefully come down soon.

If those rulings somehow don't come down? The whole issue is f***ed enough that no MA case would make much of a difference.

 

[Warm_Garand]

Are you a fed or in the lower quartile?

Why don't you start posting details on how you are going to actively resist?

For the majority of us, we have lives we wish not to give up on a fool's errand.
There are cases poised to strike down most of this crap mere months from being ripe for scotus. Violence or the mere threat of violence would turn the tides against us at this point - is that you end game?

You misunderstand me. Political violence is the absolutely wrong path--and (we can completely agree) totally counter-productive.

As a law-abiding person I am advocating for both obeying the law AND lawfully resisting the law, and I'm not sure how you arrived at a different conclusion.

I am talking about finding creative ideas for non-violent resistance--but my main point here is that passive-aggressive lawlessness (of the sort which seems to be widely advocated here--am I wrong?) is a dysfunctional solution to the problem AND it pacifies and dissipates the anger/energy which needs to be harnessed to create a passionate, legal, grass-roots resistance.

You ask ME to provide NES for gestures of resistance? A crew wearing bright yellow Come And Take Them t-shirts and shitting on lawmakers from the gallery balcony came to mind, but only in jest. I am not a skilled strategist, and besides, shouldn't those ideas come from the existing 2A leadership? Or are they tapped out beyond "let's get 200 of us together on a random Saturday on the common and hold 2A signs to voice our outrage and accomplish nothing"?

Mull my perspective or don't. In the wake of the AG's legislation-by-press-conference I advocated for all lawful citizens to FA-10 their builds, because presumably they are lawful individuals, and (right or wrong) it is my perception that it was what the law required. By making that decision, those rifles are now unquestionably legal to both own and transfer, I cannot be punished for having them in my possession, and so far nobody has shot my dog or come to take my guns. Might there come a day when they use that information against me, and try to seize my firearms? Sure. Someday it might. But in the meantime I have denied them of an easy get to ass-rape me with fines or incarcerate me (and rightfully) under the authority of law.

That's my .02, for whatever it is worth to you.

 

[Picton]

You misunderstand me. Political violence is the absolutely wrong path--and (we can completely agree) totally counter-productive.

As a law-abiding person I am advocating for both obeying the law AND lawfully resisting the law, and I'm not sure how you arrived at a different conclusion.

I am talking about finding creative ideas for non-violent resistance--but my main point here is that passive-aggressive lawlessness (of the sort which seems to be widely advocated here--am I wrong?) is a dysfunctional solution to the problem AND it pacifies and dissipates the anger/energy which needs to be harnessed to create a passionate, legal, grass-roots resistance.

You ask ME to provide NES for gestures of resistance? A crew wearing bright yellow Come And Take Them t-shirts and shitting on lawmakers from the gallery balcony came to mind, but only in jest. I am not a skilled strategist, and besides, houldn't those ideas come from the existing 2A leadership? Or are they tapped out beyond "let's get 200 of us together on a random Saturday on the common and hold 2A signs to voice our outrage and accomplish nothing"?

Mull my perspective or don't. In the wake of the AG's legislation-by-press-conference I advocated for all lawful citizens to FA-10 their builds, because presumably they are lawful individuals, and (right or wrong) it is my perception that it was what the law required. By making that decision, those rifles are now unquestionably legal to both own and transfer, I cannot be punished for having them in my posession, and so far nobody has shot my dog or come to take my guns.

Translation: "We should resist! I don't like how everyone else is suggesting we resist, and I don't have a clue how we should resist either! Other people should come up with those ideas. So instead, I'll abide by the law!"

Lordy. I've mulled your perspective, and it sucks. We don't need you.

 

[Warm_Garand]

Translation: "We should resist! I don't like how everyone else is suggesting we resist, and I don't have a clue how we should resist either! Other people should come up with those ideas. So instead, I'll abide by the law!"

Lordy. I've mulled your perspective, and it sucks. We don't need you.

OK.