HorizontalHunter
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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Thanks Pastera.
They write these Bill to be confusing to catch up a legal firearm owner plus the people who write them are likely young staffers who have never and will never own or operate a firearm. These new laws are just another reason Mass sucks.
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They write this way because pre-Loper the executive could simply "interpret" the ambiguous parts into whatever was needed - now Chevron us done and the rule of lenity prevails as it always should.
Now they will need to write clear language in order to survive review.
rule of lenity
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I feel like Goal's interpretation there is akin to saying that an car/engine designed to take leaded gas is a modern car just because you need to use unleaded since that's all we have.
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You walk into a gun store, look at the rifles and shotguns on display and inform the clerk that you wish to purchase a shotgun.
The clerk informs you that you can not buy it because it is not on the official approved list.
You ask what list is he talking about.
He explains that the politicians just passed a new law that bans the sale of any rifle or shotgun not on a list that they made up.
You ask what rifles and shotguns can you buy.
The clerk says that he does not know because the approved list has not been made up yet.
You ask if any adults were actually involved in drawing up this legislation.
The clerk responds welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Massachusetts......a place where Alice in Wonderland would feel at home.
I am, ya.
HorizontalHunter
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If that’s still legal these days.
You’re too funny
The people of MA should force the Legislature to file bills like they do in NH. The have to include a financial summary, clearly indicating the cost. And the complete law must be included with deletions struck out and additions in bold. So anyone can read it.
I'd love to see this bill like that, it would go a long way to focus discussing and the upcoming fight. But at over 100 pages its more than I can personally handle at the moment. I don't have the skills to do it, but some kind of web site that used crowd sourced editing of a master copy could let individuals "check out" a few paged, and make the edits to the master copy. Many hands make light work. Crowd review for accuracy as well, keeping in mind this is not an interpretation thing, its a line by line edit form the bill to the law.
I wonder if there are any grants/funding available for making participation in the legislative process easier for the general public.
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I am as well. Because I am not a criminal. And people who break laws they just don't feel like following out of slothful, petulant, passive-aggressive, pot-smoking, oppositional-defiant personality deficits aren't "resisting tyranny", they are just garden-variety shitbag-slacker criminals. Right?
What kind of retard loses his 2A rights forever by getting popped blithely driving around with loaded, unsecured standard-capacity magazines?
Hurrrr!--IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT!----Hurrrr!
REAL resistance isn't about doing whatever you want, comfortable in the statistical notion that you probably won't get caught.
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Jenska22
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doesn't it say modern AMMUNITION, not the components
I wonder what shop might have these in stock still….
View: https://x.com/SOLGW_Mike/status/1820112307038408819
View: https://x.com/SOLGW_Mike/status/1820112307038408819
Well, "real freedom" is about ignoring tyrannical laws. So, there's that.
I understand what happens if I get caught. I'm not going to whine about it if that happens. Instead I'll fight on. Because that's what you do with tyrants.
Or at least, that's what I do. YMMV.
Jenska22
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GoogleDocs used to do that, but then its Google....
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"Ignore" or "Resist". There is a difference.
The passive-aggressive instinct is borne of cowardice, and the avoidance of confrontation.
I have not yet heard any "active" strategies of resistance actively proposed, ever. It would never occur to the Mass 2A community. You haven't even begun to creatively imagine what it would look like.
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Well of course I am, I'm a fine upstanding citizen and won't do anything that jeopardizes my right to own a 10 round 22lr pistol or 7 round rifle
Whatever, man.
The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
Posted by @Len-2Athis thread: Post in thread 'AG's New AWB - 7/20/2016' AG's New AWB - 7/20/2016 Ya, that’s it. Pretty much exactly what they told me word for word if I remember. They probably got asked this question so much they resorted to copy and pasting the answer
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You love the tranquility of servitude. I get that; I'm not mad at you. I just won't ever count on you.
May your chains set lightly upon you.
Right. This is kind of what I’m thinking too. For me to take the internet tough guys seriously, who shame those who are going to comply, those internet tough guys would have to actually be doing something more to resist than just not complying and paying the inevitable price if/when they do get caught. Because that would make the internet tough guys a boot licker too in my opinion.
I’d agree that real freedom is about ignoring tyrannical laws. But I’d argue that complying with the penalty doesn’t align with the freedom narrative. And the point is, if the internet tough guys are going to comply with the penalty, then they belong in the same boot licking category as those who comply with the law, in my own opinion.
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People can do whatever they like--but it is plain to me that few if any of of them ACTUALLY wants to try to resist (within the confines of the law) because it is too much work.
You understand that it was perfectly LAWFUL to don body armor and load rifles and march on the Virginia Capitol on Lobby Day. So they did. There were no passive-aggressive dickbags in sight. It was a bunch of law-abiding citizens who were ACTUALLY standing up for their rights in law abiding ways.
So now, the job is to find what forms of actual resistance will work in MA.
And at that--I will bow out.
Go to it, lads.
I'll be the cuck over in the corner obeying tyrannical laws.
Yeah people in the state are going to wake up some day and be like “Gun ban, what gun ban?”
Noncompliance isn't the same as resistance. I think you and @Warm_Garand are confusing the two. Resistance is activism, and I'm no activist. I'm just a guy who wants to live his life.
I'm not about to try to overthrow the government, or goad them into changing their ways. I'm not interested in their ways: I know them well. So I'm just going to live my life the way I want, because I'm tired of them trying to tell me what to do.
I cannot control anyone but myself, and my actions. What the legislature does? That's on them. It's not my problem. All I can affect is how I react to what they do.
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Right. You are doing you. And the key to any successful resistance is organization--which the individualist passive-aggressive approach prevents. And no real pressure is ever brought to bear, nothing ever changes, the community remains defeated and demoralized, and the passive aggressive get picked off by 1's and 2's.
Honest question, Are there any rights you were willing to stand up for? If ordered to house illegal aliens in your home because Maura Healey passed a “law” would you do that too? Would you denounce your faith if ordered? Would you comply to Compelled speech if a “law” was passed….” Heil Maura Healey” do you have a line? Any line? Or would you walk up the plank and board the train when told to do so? The constitution spoke hundreds of years ago on this matter very clearly. The Supreme Court has spoken multiple times recently reaffirming it. Lower courts have spoken even as recently as last week. These laws are unconstitutional.
Yes, and you are doing you.
But I'll gently suggest that your compliance affects my life, because it tells the legislature there are people like you who will stand in line to have their rights violated. Which, down the road, makes them think they can go a step farther. Then another step. Then another. Your compliance helps them do that.
Comply if you wish to, but don't pretend that's any more noble than noncompliance. Compliance with tyranny is ultimately an act that shatters liberty. If you're okay with that, great... but it affects me. That's why I call people out.
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lol. What the f*** are you talking about? Apparently you have NO idea what I am even talking about.
Driving around with loaded, unsecured mags is "standing up for your rights"?
