The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

JDL said:
The reason for this is because the people in this state have been brainwashed for years that more gun control equals taking the guns out of criminals hands. This makes them feel safer because this is what they have been bamboozled into thinking for years. They now live in this false beleife and there is no way to change there thinking.
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We all understand that. Which is why I'm confused at what they are trying to attain by doing it.
 
richc said:
A poem, courtesy of Claude.AI


Liberty's steel, a right to bear
Now burdened by laws beyond compare
Our freedoms erode with each new rule
As bureaucrats treat us like fools

Training required, papers to file
Just to exercise rights all the while
Background checks delve deep into lives
Privacy fades as Big Brother thrives

Weapons restricted, magazines too
Rights infringed for me and for you
"Red flags" wave on mere suspicion
Due process fades from our tradition

Locked away, our tools of defense
When seconds count, it makes no sense
Ghost gun bans, a craftsman's skill denied
Our right to create cast aside

A fundamental right under attack
We stand our ground, we won't step back
For in these times of uncertainty
Our arms ensure our liberty
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That's pretty good. Gonna refer to guns as Liberty steel from now on
 
pastera said:
GOAL was operating under the belief that SCOTUS is going to cure a large part of this once the Illinois or Maryland AW cases in the 4th and 7th were decided. And the 4th just dropped such a beautiful blessing of a gift in our lap.
I was against this as I agree that the actual ballot question will fail - however, if we can get the certified signatures that will push the effective date of 4885 out giving people some time.

Now that the 4th essentially had a complete mental breakdown and put their dirty laundry out for everyone to read, we should see a resolution on the ASF issue next session.
I you haven't read the 4th's opinion - do so, and skip to footnote 2 in the dissent to start. That short paragraph will get you angry enough to read the majority's bloviating BS.

I posted a PDF with my comments for the majority holding (it was my 1st reading so the comments are pretty raw and I don't have any supporting citations in them)
The difference between the majority and dissent will show plainly what is 90% likely to happen at SCOTUS (Read the dissent then read Bruen, Heller or McDonald and see the similarities in style and content)
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Link to the ruling for reference:


"The assault weapons at issue fall outside the ambit of protection offered by the
Second Amendment because, in essence, they are military-style weapons designed for
sustained combat operations that are ill-suited and disproportionate to the need for selfdefense. Moreover, the Maryland law fits comfortably within our nation’s tradition of
firearms regulation. It is but another example of a state regulating excessively dangerous
weapons once their incompatibility with a lawful and safe society becomes apparent, while
nonetheless preserving avenues for armed self-defense."


[puke][puke][puke]
 
FancyGunz said:
Link to the ruling for reference:


"The assault weapons at issue fall outside the ambit of protection offered by the
Second Amendment because, in essence, they are military-style weapons designed for
sustained combat operations that are ill-suited and disproportionate to the need for selfdefense. Moreover, the Maryland law fits comfortably within our nation’s tradition of
firearms regulation. It is but another example of a state regulating excessively dangerous
weapons once their incompatibility with a lawful and safe society becomes apparent, while
nonetheless preserving avenues for armed self-defense."


[puke][puke][puke]
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Way to bring your biased opinion into a legal document lol
 
FancyGunz said:
Link to the ruling for reference:


"The assault weapons at issue fall outside the ambit of protection offered by the
Second Amendment because, in essence, they are military-style weapons designed for
sustained combat operations that are ill-suited and disproportionate to the need for selfdefense. Moreover, the Maryland law fits comfortably within our nation’s tradition of
firearms regulation. It is but another example of a state regulating excessively dangerous
weapons once their incompatibility with a lawful and safe society becomes apparent, while
nonetheless preserving avenues for armed self-defense."


[puke][puke][puke]
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When the bill of rights was written, weren't the guns that soldiers were issued also saw their way into the hands of citizens?
 
42! said:
But the point you ignored was I DON'T THINK THE VOTE WILL WIN. This is a delaying action to protect gun owners and more importantly, gun shops. They need to stay in business or the law eventually being overturned in the courts means little.

It's inexpensive, easy, and does no harm. And it just may keep your LGS in business for a little while longer.
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Is it only delayed until it’s voted on and inevitably loses? So Nov 5? That’s less than 2 weeks after the law goes into effect. I must be missing something.
 
Markymk25 said:
Is it only delayed until it’s voted on and inevitably loses? So Nov 5? That’s less than 2 weeks after the law goes into effect. I must be missing something.
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There is no way it would make it on the Nov 5th ballot. The questions for that ballot have already been decided.

Hence, this would delay the implementation until the next statewide election (assuming 2026?)

The following link indicates all the steps (and number of signatures required)

Massachusetts 2024 ballot measures

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
ballotpedia.org ballotpedia.org
 
ddeck said:
There is no way it would make it on the Nov 5th ballot. The questions for that ballot have already been decided.

Hence, this would delay the implementation until the next statewide election (assuming 2026?)

The following link indicates all the steps (and number of signatures required)

Massachusetts 2024 ballot measures

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
ballotpedia.org ballotpedia.org
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That makes much more sense
 
not new guy said:
Delay implementation of what? The law? Haven't we determined that that's not how this works? The referendum delays nothing?
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The referendum has been submitted, now once the state produce the signature sheets, if we get the 50,000+ signatures, the matter becomes subject to a vote on the next statewide election and until that time that it's voted on, it is suspended. Since the next statewide vote is in November (before the deadline to file), it would be placed on the next statewide vote, which is in 2 years. it's not that we'll win the general vote (in this state), however, it will give everyone 2 more years while we work through the court systems.
 
Night_solstice said:
The referendum has been submitted, now once the state produce the signature sheets, if we get the 50,000+ signatures, the matter becomes subject to a vote on the next statewide election and until that time that it's voted on, it is suspended. Since the next statewide vote is in November (before the deadline to file), it would be placed on the next statewide vote, which is in 2 years. it's not that we'll win the general vote (in this state), however, it will give everyone 2 more years while we work through the court systems.
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Where are you seeing that it's suspended if we get the signatures? I thought people had determined that nothing gets suspended or delayed.
 
Night_solstice said:
The referendum has been submitted, now once the state produce the signature sheets, if we get the 50,000+ signatures, the matter becomes subject to a vote on the next statewide election and until that time that it's voted on, it is suspended. Since the next statewide vote is in November (before the deadline to file), it would be placed on the next statewide vote, which is in 2 years. it's not that we'll win the general vote (in this state), however, it will give everyone 2 more years while we work through the court systems.
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And that 2 years could mean that some of the other cases already working their way to SCOTUS may get there before the MA law ever takes affect.
 
Night_solstice said:
FightbackMA has a chart that explains the process:
View attachment 907214

From https://malegislature.gove/StateHouse/Glossary#R:

View attachment 907217

The process is covered in: Part I -> Title VIII -> Chapter 54 -> Section 54

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IT looks like you're right and previous posters were wrong about it. Page 12+ of the attached has some useful info:

 
VTski4x4 said:
Blowing millions of dollars to *maybe* get a delay at best is a huge downside. Millions of dollars that could be used for years of litigation. You know if FPC wins the Maryland AWB case we are still going to be fighting parts of this bill for years to come.
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The cost to get the signatures is under $100k at the highest.
Well below the cost to petition for injunctive relief up through the courts.
And if you get the signatures - and 50k is entirely doable - the you get a similar effect to an injunction across the entire bill instead of a single section.

Further, the moment Bianchi is filed and receives cert any case against the ASF parts of the law go stagnant until SCOTUS issues an opinion. We won't get an injunction but we might get the required number of signatures.
 
42! said:
And that 2 years could mean that some of the other cases already working their way to SCOTUS may get there before the MA law ever takes affect.
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The 4th just published Bianchi and the opinion is such a shit show they almost couldn't have given us a better path to SCOTUS.

We shouldn't need 2 years but given how pissed the 1st Circuit will be, they may delay publishing a win for our side (or could pull a 4th and upperdeck the SCOTUS and give us another win)
 
OK. Nice graphic, thank you.

2 Year delay would be nice. Might even be enough time to get the right people in the oval office and use the lefty games about adding more seats to the SCOTUS work in our favor.
 
pastera said:
I just posted this information in another thread this morning - the infographic is great though (almost no one is willing to read a page or two anymore
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hmmm...interesting that there's no section for 'Suggestions to the Petition Filers' for the referendum petition
 
LuvDog said:
OK. Nice graphic, thank you.

2 Year delay would be nice. Might even be enough time to get the right people in the oval office and use the lefty games about adding more seats to the SCOTUS work in our favor.
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Hell no - we do not want to expand the court.
If Trump gets in, then Thomas and Alito should look for replacements within the first two years given their age.
And I'm think St Benitez should be high on the list
 
JDL said:
The reason for this is because the people in this state have been brainwashed for years that more gun control equals taking the guns out of criminals hands. This makes them feel safer because this is what they have been bamboozled into thinking for years. They now live in this false beleife and there is no way to change there thinking.
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Yup, born D, raised D, anything outside of that is pure evil yet, many are conservatives and don't know it so vote D.
 
pastera said:
GOAL was operating under the belief that SCOTUS is going to cure a large part of this...

I was against this as I agree that the actual ballot question will fail - however, if we can get the certified signatures that will push the effective date of 4885 out giving people some time.
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You are correct. I support this because it may let dealers hang on until SCOTUS can act.

Most dealers won't be able to survive this law, so maybe this will help. As a firearm consumer, I like having multiple dealers to shop from!
 

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