The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[mav]

One hundo percento. What you have said I have been saying for years on here. I started with carrying even with a restricted LTC. Did that for 6 years before a town graced me with an unrestricted. I can't count how many times I walked into my step kid's school still ccwing. I initially made my rifles evil killy just because I was f***ing lazy and didn't want to pay to repin my muzzle device. But once you stop giving a shit, it becomes easier to keep not giving a shit. There is a freedom with not giving a shit. And with that, soon all my rifles were unpinned, tip to butt.

NES, become "a not giving a shit collective".

Here come the "I have too much to lose", or "My rights and the 2A aren't important enough to me to put me and my family at financial and criminal risk".

Want to know how the American Revolution started? By individuals slowly realizing that they didn't want nor need permission from the King to live their lives the way they saw fit... and when enough men thought that way, a movement started and things really got interesting.

 

[pupchow]

Here come the "I have too much to lose", or "My rights and the 2A aren't important enough to me to put me and my family at financial and criminal risk".

Want to know how the American Revolution started? By individuals slowly realizing that they didn't want nor need permission from the King to live their lives the way they saw fit... and when enough men thought that way, a movement started and things really got interesting.

 

[mav]

Within that 40-45% Support, a small percentage were involved in kinetic operations. The rest were financially supporting or providing some other aid or just politically supporting. This is the point many miss...

 

[Picton]

One hundo percento. What you have said I have been saying for years on here. I started with carrying even with a restricted LTC. Did that for 6 years before a town graced me with an unrestricted. I can't count how many times I walked into my step kid's school still ccwing. I initially made my rifles evil killy just because I was f***ing lazy and didn't want to pay to repin my muzzle device. But once you stop giving a shit, it becomes easier to keep not giving a shit. There is a freedom with not giving a shit. And with that, soon all my rifles were unpinned, tip to butt.

NES, become "a not giving a shit collective".

 

[MFSP101]

What part of this bill has to do with glocks? I’m trying to follow all this BS. Someone asked me today about hand guns under this. I know some how glocks will be band but not sure how. Want to make sure I’m giving the right info. Told them about lgs not being able to sell to Leo’s.

 

[MAJoe]

What part of this bill has to do with glocks? I’m trying to follow all this BS. Someone asked me today about hand guns under this. I know some how glocks will be band but not sure how. Want to make sure I’m giving the right info. Told them about lgs not being able to sell to Leo’s.

No more frame transfers for dealers to non-LEO. No more sales of prebans or carrying them. No more building your own from an 80% without a serial and complying with state testing requirements.

 

[DJBrad]

What part of this bill has to do with glocks? I’m trying to follow all this BS. Someone asked me today about hand guns under this. I know some how glocks will be band but not sure how. Want to make sure I’m giving the right info. Told them about lgs not being able to sell to Leo’s.

New bill has nothing to say about Glocks specifically. The definitions for all guns have changed. The existing safety regs for roster approval of pistols (now called “firearms”) has changed slightly to this section below wrt Chapter 140 Section 131.75.


“SECTION 51. Said chapter 140 is hereby further amended by striking out section 131¾, as so appearing, and inserting in place thereof the following section:-
Section 131¾. (a) The secretary of public safety and security shall, with the advice of the firearm control advisory board established in section 131½ compile and publish a roster of assault-style firearms banned under section 131M and a roster of firearms approved for sale and use in the commonwealth using the parameters set forth in section 123. The secretary shall, not less than 3 times annually, review, update, and publish the rosters online, and send a copy to all persons licensed in the commonwealth pursuant to section 122. Licensing authorities shall provide information on these rosters to all permit and card holders and licensees upon initial issuance and every renewal.
(b) The secretary, with the advice of the firearm control advisory board, shall also compile and publish a roster of firearms solely designed and sold for formal target shooting competitions or Olympic shooting competitions. The board shall, not less than biannually, review, update and publish these rosters and make them available for distribution.
(c) The secretary may amend any roster upon their own initiative. A person may petition the secretary to place a firearm on, or remove a firearm from, the roster, subject to the provisions of this section. A petition to amend a roster shall be submitted in writing to the secretary, in the form and manner prescribed by the secretary, and include reasons why the roster should be amended. Upon receipt of a petition to amend a roster, the secretary shall, within 45 days, either notify the petitioner that the petition is denied or modify the roster. An addition to the roster shall be effective on the date it is published online by the board.”





Because the definition of all guns has now changed to “firearm” every gun whether shotgun, rifle, or pistol now has to fulfill the requirements of 131.75. That means no guns outside of the current roster are allowed to be sold in Ma by dealers after 10/23 unless it’s existing stock from pre 10/23.

 

[Dench]

Here come the "I have too much to lose", or "My rights and the 2A aren't important enough to me to put me and my family at financial and criminal risk".

Want to know how the American Revolution started? By individuals slowly realizing that they didn't want nor need permission from the King to live their lives the way they saw fit... and when enough men thought that way, a movement started and things really got interesting.

We arent cut from the same cloth as those people not even close.

As soon as the occasional rouge militia stopped forming to do X we lost that angle.

I cant see it coming back short of a famine.

 

[LuvDog]

Maybe dealers should start openly selling Glock again. They’re on the roster after all.

 

[CrackPot]

No more frame transfers for dealers to anyone non-LEO. No more sales of prebans or carrying them. No more building your own from an 80% without a serial and complying with state testing requirements.

FIFY

 

[Coyote33]

Maybe dealers should start openly selling Glock again. They’re on the roster after all.

Or this:

New vunder9?

Havent seen this yet any thoughts https://palmettostatearmory.com/rock-island-dy9-9mm-3-86-pistol-15rds-flat-dark-earth-durable-dy924.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=pm&utm_term=08-15-2024&utm_content=51655167268

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[murf4321]

I am as well. Because I am not a criminal. And people who break laws they just don't feel like following out of slothful, petulant, passive-aggressive, pot-smoking, oppositional-defiant personality deficits aren't "resisting tyranny", they are just garden-variety shitbag-slacker criminals. Right?

What kind of retard loses his 2A rights forever by getting popped blithely driving around with loaded, unsecured standard-capacity magazines?

Hurrrr!--IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT!----Hurrrr!

REAL resistance isn't about doing whatever you want, comfortable in the statistical notion that you probably won't get caught.

This is the kind of guy who claims he’s not gay cuz you sucked his dick versus him sucking yours.

Lookin good Billy Ray…

 

[MAJoe]

FIFY

Thanks. How do you interpret this for 80s?

(d) No person shall manufacture or assemble a privately made firearm that does not comply with all relevant state and federal safety regulations.

 

[CrackPot]

Thanks. How do you interpret this for 80s?

not sure there are any state relevant safety regulations. The safety stuff is under dealer requirements so not relevant to non dealers

 

[42!]

Thanks. How do you interpret this for 80s?

Well Fed didn't change so that's the same as always.
They don't define what a partially complete receiver is. It's safe to assume it includes 80%, but it could also include a 5% or even a 1%, that's going to end up in the courts.
Other than that there is no difference in the new MA laws between an partially complete and a complete receiver. So your 80% is a firearm, will need a serial number and will need to be registered.

This could get interesting for anyone who doesn't have any license but has 80%s. Or someone who was/is manufacturing 80% and now finds they not only possess but are now a manufacturer under state, but not Fed law.

There is no end to the suck in the new law.

 

[JDL]

Well Fed didn't change so that's the same as always.
They don't define what a partially complete receiver is. It's safe to assume it includes 80%, but it could also include a 5% or even a 1%, that's going to end up in the courts.
Other than that there is no difference in the new MA laws between an partially complete and a complete receiver. So your 80% is a firearm, will need a serial number and will need to be registered.

This could get interesting for anyone who doesn't have any license but has 80%s. Or someone who was/is manufacturing 80% and now finds they not only possess but are now a manufacturer under state, but not Fed law.

There is no end to the suck in the new law.

If you interpret it like this a forging is a firearm even though it is just a block of metal that needs to be machined. Take it even one step foward and a block of metal that will be slatted to be forged could also be considered a firearm if the forging is slated to be a firearm forging. This just gets stupider and stupider.

 

[42!]

If you interpret it like this a forging is a firearm even though it is just a block of metal that needs to be machined. Take it even one step foward and a block of metal that will be slatted to be forged could also be considered a firearm if the forging is slated to be a firearm forging. This just gets stupider and stupider.

That is the problem, the law doesn't define partial receiver. And it's a plain reading of the law, not really interpretation. I suspect that when it gets to court the court will take the easy way out and use the ATF's 80%, but the law doesn't say.

 

[DJBrad]

That is the problem, the law doesn't define partial receiver. And it's a plain reading of the law, not really interpretation. I suspect that when it gets to court the court will take the easy way out and use the ATF's 80%, but the law doesn't say.

This language pretty much sums it up. Keyword is “or” before (ii).


“(ii) is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm once completed or assembled“

So that chunk of metal if sold as a blank for manufacture is now an unfinished firearm.

 

[Whutmeworry]

Yes. With a clip magazine.

And it fires bullet shell cartridges.

 

[MAJoe]

not sure there are any state relevant safety regulations. The safety stuff is under dealer requirements so not relevant to non dealers

Thanks. I didn’t know if the roster testing stuff applied.

 

[Reptile]

How long do dealers have to unload new Glocks that were acquired before 10/23/2024.

If there are unable to sell in Massachusetts - can they keep them till after 10/23/2024 but sell them out of state?

What about after 10/23/2024 - can dealers still import new Glocks?

 

[Jason Flare]

How long do dealers have to unload new Glocks that were acquired before 10/23/2024.

If there are unable to sell in Massachusetts - can they keep them till after 10/23/2024 but sell them out of state?

What about after 10/23/2024 - can dealers still import new Glocks?

Just completely forget about Glocks.

 

[pastera]

Thanks. How do you interpret this for 80s?

The safety regulations are a requirement on those holding a dealer's license (section 122)
You must comply with the section 131 which doesn't include the roster safety test requirements.

 

[pastera]

Well Fed didn't change so that's the same as always.
They don't define what a partially complete receiver is. It's safe to assume it includes 80%, but it could also include a 5% or even a 1%, that's going to end up in the courts.
Other than that there is no difference in the new MA laws between an partially complete and a complete receiver. So your 80% is a firearm, will need a serial number and will need to be registered.

This could get interesting for anyone who doesn't have any license but has 80%s. Or someone who was/is manufacturing 80% and now finds they not only possess but are now a manufacturer under state, but not Fed law.

There is no end to the suck in the new law.

There is no regulation past the registration and serialization for a LTC holder on "privately made firearm(s)"

So if you purchase a preserialized 80% all you need to do is register after completion. If you get an unserialized 80% lower or frame, then you need to request a serial before taking possession (my interpretation on the text - it may turn out you only need the state issued serial before any machining work).

 

[42!]

There is no regulation past the registration and serialization for a LTC holder on "privately made firearm(s)"

So if you purchase a preserialized 80% all you need to do is register after completion. If you get an unserialized 80% lower or frame, then you need to request a serial before taking possession (my interpretation on the text - it may turn out you only need the state issued serial before any machining work).

Let's be clear, we are not talking about what may or may not be grandfathered or may be in inventory at a dealer on some particular date. These are exception to the rule and will ultimately age out as inventory is sold off.

As I said, the law doesn't define unfinished as 80%, the courts may well do this as the easiest way to deal with it is to mirror the Fed. Of course it is MA so they might decide 51% is their line, and what constitutes either percentage isn't defined.
The law does say

230 “Firearm”, a stun gun, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, large capacity
231 firearm, assault-style firearm and machine gun, loaded or unloaded, which is designed to or may
232 readily be converted to expel a shot or bullet; the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the
233 unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm; provided, however, that “firearm” shall not
234 include any antique firearm or permanently inoperable firearm.

and

369 “Unfinished frame or receiver”, a forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body or
370 similar item that: (i) has reached a stage in manufacture when it may readily be completed or
371 assembled to function as a frame or receiver; or (ii) is marketed or sold to the public to become
372 or be used as the frame or receiver of a functional firearm once completed or assembled;
373 provided, however, that “unfinished frame or receiver” shall not include a component designed
374 and intended for use in an antique firearm.

So whatever percentage you use, it is now a firearm and thus subject to all the laws applicable to firearms. This includes sales, possession, registration, and serialization.
So new un-serialized 80% lowers, are done.
New 80% will have to be serialized, so it's unclear how this will happen because the Fed won't do it, MA will have to, but the system to do so does not yet exist.

The new law also requires all firearms to be serialized, so beside any exceptions, even your "unfinished" receivers will need to be serialized.

 

[pastera]

Let's be clear, we are not talking about what may or may not be grandfathered or may be in inventory at a dealer on some particular date. These are exception to the rule and will ultimately age out as inventory is sold off.

Of what are we being clear? We are talking about unfinished frames and receivers in general not "assault-style" firearms

As I said, the law doesn't define unfinished as 80%, the courts may well do this as the easiest way to deal with it is to mirror the Fed. Of course it is MA so they might decide 51% is their line, and what constitutes either percentage isn't defined.

And your point?
Unless a person is just trying to stir up shit, we all have known that 80% is simply the colloquial term for an unfinished frame or receiver.
Mass doesn't get to define a level at which a receiver moves from unfinished to finished - it is either capable of firing a shot or it is not. One could get a frame that only needs a single hole drilled and per Mass law it is still an unfinished frame (but still counts as a firearm under the new law)
The level of completeness in the machining is an ATF issue since below the ATF threshold the part may be sold and possessed without federal regulation.

So whatever percentage you use, it is now a firearm and thus subject to all the laws applicable to firearms. This includes sales, possession, registration, and serialization.
So new un-serialized 80% lowers, are done.

Where did I state 80% AR lowers? I was speaking about privately made firearms in general as regulated by the new law.
You do realize that people make things other than AR platform rifles, right?
Glock and 10/22 are very popular firearms - both of which are 100% legal to manufacture under the new law as long as you comply with 121B and 121C.

New 80% will have to be serialized, so it's unclear how this will happen because the Fed won't do it, MA will have to, but the system to do so does not yet exist.

When did the ATF ever serialize firearms? They didn't. Nor did they assign serial numbers to be engraved.
And there are several manufactures of unfinished frames/receivers that offer serialization services as part of the product line.
One even supplies Glock unfinished frames pre-serialized as an off-the-shelf product.

The new law also requires all firearms to be serialized, so beside any exceptions, even your "unfinished" receivers will need to be serialized.

Okay, where did I state differently?

 

[jron]

Maybe dealers should start openly selling Glock again. They’re on the roster after all.

They’re not on the roster “approved” for sale in Massachusetts.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

They’re not on the roster “approved” for sale in Massachusetts.

To be specific, they are on the roster but they don’t meet the “consumer safety” nonsense stipulations.

 

[jron]

To be specific, they are on the roster but they don’t meet the “consumer safety” nonsense stipulations.

Thus not approved…

 

[EJFudd]

To be specific, they are on the roster but they don’t meet the “consumer safety” nonsense stipulations.

A bizarre twist of law and liberal silliness found only in the People's DimocRATic Republic of Taxachusetts.