Who knows. At least people will be able to go to NH, ME etc and buy them otc.
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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No sales tax in NH and closer.
headednorth
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Holy Fudd. Garand's arent even on there
They’re exempt from the assault weapon features but not from the dealer rules on roster sales and CMR safety stuff.
Garands don’t trip any traditional “assault weapon” features except being semi auto.
FalArAk
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drgrant, you outdid yourself on that one line.. Bravo sir, bravo!
No more normal mags from MA dealers to any kind of LE either.
For some people it may still make more sense to go to other commie states as well due to distance. Although CT and RI are going to be more painful unless someone is licensed. People are fags and don't like driving too far. Although i get it, im just not used to being that soft.
Rockrivr1
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Wouldn’t the State not creating a new roster actually work in our favor within the courts? Basically it bans guns across the board and flies against all the recent rulings from the SC. It would suck in the short term but could work in our favor in the long run. Though I might just be being optimistic.
The state likely won't fag out on that, but good luck WRT fatigue of vendors/dists paying to put stuff on that list. Many probably will throw in the towel and wait for lawsuits. The only way vendors will play with that list is if eops provides a more realistic set of testing standards that don't involve dropping guns from stupid heights. Even then most remote manufacturers/dists might be like "f*** this shit" and not bother.
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I have a question about the new bill that passed. If i own a ruger mini 14 and purchased it over a year ago, am i now illegally possessing this firearm or is it grandfathered in for me?
Any Mini posessed legally before 8/1 is grandfathered in.
Moreover, my reading currently is that anything legally posessed before 8/1 is grandfathered in especially if you have EFA10 it before that date.
YMMV and is a direct function of the number of vertebrates the interpreter has.
Minis are specifically exempt.
Grandfathering doesn't matter unless you had one of the folding stock models.
pastera
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No, the dealer would not be allowd to transfer
pastera
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No - not even boring long guns can be transferred, period
No 8/1 exempt ASF
No 922 appendix A exempt
No long arm at all until some action is taken on the roster contents or requirements.
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So im now a considered a criminal unless i hand it over?
I can tell you what a 4500v cattle fence feels like when you are taking a leak and don't realize it passes through the bush you are pissing on and you are warned a split second too late while you are shaking and you nip the tip.
The language in the AG’s 940CMR bullshit still explicitly says it applies only to guns that can fire a projectile using a chemical propellant.
Anything on the EOPSS approved firearms roster can be sold as a frame transfer after 10/22.
pastera
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Is it a mini 14?
Did you or someone with an FID, LTC or dealers license possess it on 8/1?
If yes to both then it is perfectly legal to possess.
If it is a plain Jane version without a folding stock then the 8/1 date doesn't apply since it is excluded by name.
Not sure what chemical guns have to do with the cmr940 safety regs. Unless there's something in the new law that makes a frame a /different/ kind of firearm than it isn't now. Remember part of the reason dealers moved these frames before us because they were way outside the scope of an entire set of laws. Unless there's another hole in cmr940 itself that enshrines a different definition for its own purposes.
Let's be honest, the new legislation has a shit show of definitions that are a clusterf*** of cross references.
Nothing is clear, other than the fact that our legislative "overlords" have no clue what they are doing unless outside groups control them like sock puppets, complete with an arm up the rectum right up to the shoulder.
Politicians should be honored and humbled to serve, it should be a reluctant calling, not a lifestyle.
The current system needs a hard f***ing reboot.
(For the record, I am about 4 ryes deep at the moment and am probably at my most honest, even if it is politically inconvenient)
940 CMR 16 explicitly says it applies only to handguns that can expel solid projectile(s) propelled via chemical ignition.
that means it doesn't apply to air guns, nerf guns, water guns, T-shirt cannons, potato guns, or frames of actual guns. Because frames of actual guns cannot expel a projectile via chemical ignition, 940 CMR 16 doesn't apply to them.
(edit to add "the post 10/23" for clarity)
However, in the post 10/23 MGL, "firearm" is defined as a gun, or the frame of one. The EOPSS approved firearm roster and all the testing requirements in C.140§123 doesn't care about the gun being functional.
Let's take some examples:
CZ Shadow 2:
Not OK with the 940 CMR 16 AG's nonsense because it can't pass that nonsense.
Not on the EOPSS approved roster because it hasn't/can't pass the §123 testing
== Dealer can't transfer it
CZ Shadow 2 frame:
940 CMR 16 doesn't apply at all, because the frame can't go "bang"
Not on the EOPSS approved roster because it hasn't/can't pass the §123 testing
== Dealer can't transfer it
Glock 17:
Not OK with the 940 CMR 16 AG's nonsense because f*** you that's not a loaded chamber indicator.
But it is on the EOPSS list. (but doesn't matter because AG)
== Dealer can't transfer it
Glock 17 frame:
940 CMR 16 doesn't apply at all, because the frame can't go "bang"
It IS on the EOPSS list, because §121 defines "firearm" as including the frame or receiver.
== Dealer CAN transfer it.
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It is a normal civilian ruger mini 14 with black synthetic furniture purchased from an ffl/gun shop over a year go and im an ltc holder. Sorry for the million questions just need some clarification. Is that version of a ruger mini 14 now illegal to own?
For the third time:
Yes. Fixed-stock mini-14s are specifically fine.
You should get your hands on something that's NOT specifically fine; you'll feel more like a man.
pastera
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It ALWAYS was!!!
And unless you're a member of the A-team there isn't anything but "civilian" mini-14's (the full auto version is a completely different name)
Not sure what you'd do if it was "illegal to own," anyway; don't you dare suggest you'd ever do something like turn it in to the State. That's your property. You have a right to keep and bear it, no matter what this law thinks it says.
Also, as an adjacent thing, we need to stop claiming police folks are not "civilians" since they are not organized under the UCMJ, and thus, are "civilian" law enforcement as far as US and International law are concerned!
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No i appreciate the patience guys. Wouldn’t get rid of anything just like to be prepared for whats coming
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1903Collector
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As I understand it its everything, want a Rem 870, outta luck. Want a Savage bolt gun, too bad, f*** off. How bout a nice single shot or lever gun, so sorry no can do!
You can buy any long gun in another state. Just do that. No one will ever ask or check you unless you commit another crime. No reason to even honor the 10 rounds anymore.
We were all telling NY and Connecticut residents not to register anything when this was happening to them, so practice what we preach.
We were all telling NY and Connecticut residents not to register anything when this was happening to them, so practice what we preach.
