The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

milktree said:
940 CMR 16 explicitly says it applies only to handguns that can expel solid projectile(s) propelled via chemical ignition.


that means it doesn't apply to air guns, nerf guns, water guns, T-shirt cannons, potato guns, or frames of actual guns. Because frames of actual guns cannot expel a projectile via chemical ignition, 940 CMR 16 doesn't apply to them.

However, in MGL, "firearm" is defined as a gun, or the frame of one. The EOPSS approved firearm roster and all the testing requirements in C.140§123 doesn't care about the gun being functional.

Let's take some examples:

CZ Shadow 2:
Not OK with the 940 CMR 16 AG's nonsense because it can't pass that nonsense.
Not on the EOPSS approved roster because it hasn't/can't pass the §123 testing
== Dealer can't transfer it

CZ Shadow 2 frame:
940 CMR 16 doesn't apply at all, because the frame can't go "bang"
Not on the EOPSS approved roster because it hasn't/can't pass the §123 testing
== Dealer can't transfer it

Glock 17:
Not OK with the 940 CMR 16 AG's nonsense because f*** you that's not a loaded chamber indicator.
But it is on the EOPSS list. (but doesn't matter because AG)
== Dealer can't transfer it

Glock 17 frame:
940 CMR 16 doesn't apply at all, because the frame can't go "bang"
It IS on the EOPSS list, because §121 defines "firearm" as including the frame or receiver.
== Dealer CAN transfer it.
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Many people have gotten a shadow 2 this way, myself included... I'm assuming you are referring to the old laws...
 
chris_1001 said:
Many people have gotten a shadow 2 this way, myself included... I'm assuming you are referring to the old laws...
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No. The new laws.

Under the current laws "firearm" doesn't mean "frame of", so that Shadow 2 frame is just fine because neither the 940 CMR 16 stuff applies, or the EOPSS approved firearm roster applies.
 
EJFudd said:
A very closely related version of the same gun is on the Formal Target Shooting Roster. That should count for something in Milktree's analysis. [thumbsup]
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Right, but the TS2 is a single action only gun, not everyone wants that. I picked the Shadow 2 because it's *NOT* on the EOPSS list (and can't be, because it doesn't have a firing pin block.)
 
milktree said:
Right, but the TS2 is a single action only gun, not everyone wants that. I picked the Shadow 2 because it's *NOT* on the EOPSS list (and can't be, because it doesn't have a firing pin block.)
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4 out of 5 of my CZ's did not come with a firing pin block, the 5th, I removed it...
 
mousegunfan said:
You can buy any long gun in another state. Just do that. No one will ever ask or check you unless you commit another crime. No reason to even honor the 10 rounds anymore.

We were all telling NY and Connecticut residents not to register anything when this was happening to them, so practice what we preach.
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Really?

Are you saying that a NH shop will sell me a complete Noveske (AR-15) rifle?
 
Is the M1-A considered an ASF? I live on the New Hampshire border and was wondering if I could buy that rifle up there and bring it back to MA and register it on the FA10 portal.
 
pthomas65 said:
Is the M1-A considered an ASF? I live on the New Hampshire border and was wondering if I could buy that rifle up there and bring it back to MA and register it on the FA10 portal.
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I was curious about that myself.

Depends on what they consider a barrel shroud to be I think. If absolutely anything covering the barrel is a shroud, then yeah, it's an ASF due to it being a semi auto, center fire rifle with a detachable mag and a shroud.

Their definition is potentially so broad that any type of handguard is a shroud.
 
pthomas65 said:
Is the M1-A considered an ASF? I live on the New Hampshire border and was wondering if I could buy that rifle up there and bring it back to MA and register it on the FA10 portal.
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With the ambiguity, it’s a risk. It’s legal to own and buy and own right now, but may not be when this goes into effect (and that date may be in flux if an emergency preamble is signed).
 
pthomas65 said:
Is the M1-A considered an ASF? I live on the New Hampshire border and was wondering if I could buy that rifle up there and bring it back to MA and register it on the FA10 portal.
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It's fully legal to purchase that rifle and bring it home to Massachusetts.

What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you. I know I can be a pain about things like this, but I'm not sure why Massachusetts needs to know what you own. Especially in the aftermath of this new law. They've proven you can't trust them to protect your liberties; under those circumstances it might be best to, well, stop trusting them.
 
Picton said:
It's fully legal to purchase that rifle and bring it home to Massachusetts.

What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you. I know I can be a pain about things like this, but I'm not sure why Massachusetts needs to know what you own. Especially in the aftermath of this new law. They've proven you can't trust them to protect your liberties; under those circumstances it might be best to, well, stop trusting them.
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I agree with you sentiment, the laws in MA were always BS and this new one is super BS. And everyone gets to decide for themselves how compliant they will be.

But I think it should be said, and this more a general comment than a direct reply, that when questions are asked, particularly by a newer member, or one with a low post count (so not very active), that the question is "what can I do legally". And responses can be confusing when they go into opinion on compliance.

@Picton I'm using you post as an example but its just that, it's not specific to you but more of a general trend.

A less informed person may take "What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you." as a response to the very direct legal question by @pthomas65 and not the opinion and desire to not comply that it is. Essentially the questioner sees it as, I heard I don't have to file an eFA10 if I buy out of state. And not the idea, The law says I have to file the eFA10, but many don't like this and a decision to comply or not needs to be made.

I guess, for the sake of the less informed, I think it would be better if the distinction between what the law says and how a poster feels about it, were a little clearer.
 
pthomas65 said:
Is the M1-A considered an ASF? I live on the New Hampshire border and was wondering if I could buy that rifle up there and bring it back to MA and register it on the FA10 portal.
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“Assault-style firearm”, any firearm which is:
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(i) a folding or telescopic stock;​
(ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip;​
(iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;​
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(v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.​
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Unless otherwise excluded, the M1A in factory form would likely be considered an ASF
 
Picton said:
It's fully legal to purchase that rifle and bring it home to Massachusetts.

What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you. I know I can be a pain about things like this, but I'm not sure why Massachusetts needs to know what you own. Especially in the aftermath of this new law. They've proven you can't trust them to protect your liberties; under those circumstances it might be best to, well, stop trusting them.
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See my other post about the M1A - it is not certain that it is legal. It has a removable magazine and at least two features (one clear and one interpretive).
It also isn't on the list of exempt firearms
Centerfire Rifles—Autoloaders
  • Browning BAR Mark II Safari Semi-Auto Rifle
  • Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle
  • Browning High-Power Rifle
  • Heckler & Koch Model 300 Rifle
  • Iver Johnson M–1 Carbine
  • Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M–1 Carbine
  • Marlin Model 9 Camp Carbine
  • Marlin Model 45 Carbine
  • Remington Nylon 66 Auto-Loading Rifle
  • Remington Model 7400 Auto Rifle
  • Remington Model 7400 Rifle
  • Remington Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto Rifle
  • Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock)
  • Ruger Mini Thirty Rifle
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As far as an FA-10 requirement:
Under the old law, there were many reasons why a firearm could be legally exempt from the transaction reporting. Under the new law the criminal liability shifts to the possessor and therefore the risk increases dramatically. While I am certain that the requirement to register arms with the state is not a constitutionally allowable infringement, that question is a battle far in the future and best left to a carefully curated plaintiff.
Those that fundamentally disagree with the state are free to refrain from compliance but to do so includes risk to oneself.
 
1903Collector said:
One shop is selling the scout squad and saying that version will be ok as it has a clean muzzle, maybe the CA version?
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If it has a plain crowned muzzle then it would be legal - one would need to either buy it with a plain muzzle or (likely) turn the threads off of the barrel to comply.

I am saying that the threads need to be removed because this is a new law therefore the federal case law on pinned muzzle devices is no longer applicable.
 
42! said:
I agree with you sentiment, the laws in MA were always BS and this new one is super BS. And everyone gets to decide for themselves how compliant they will be.

But I think it should be said, and this more a general comment than a direct reply, that when questions are asked, particularly by a newer member, or one with a low post count (so not very active), that the question is "what can I do legally". And responses can be confusing when they go into opinion on compliance.

@Picton I'm using you post as an example but its just that, it's not specific to you but more of a general trend.

A less informed person may take "What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you." as a response to the very direct legal question by @pthomas65 and not the opinion and desire to not comply that it is. Essentially the questioner sees it as, I heard I don't have to file an eFA10 if I buy out of state. And not the idea, The law says I have to file the eFA10, but many don't like this and a decision to comply or not needs to be made.

I guess, for the sake of the less informed, I think it would be better if the distinction between what the law says and how a poster feels about it, were a little clearer.
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It's the internet, not a law office.

Regardless, I'm sure of two things: one is that my post was unequivocal, I think, in stating the difference between what was legal and what my opinion was.

The other thing is that the poster has been a member since 2011 and has at least 31 transactions. I'm comfortable that he was not misled.
 
pastera said:
I am saying that the threads need to be removed because this is a new law therefore the federal case law on pinned muzzle devices is no longer applicable.
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That’s bold, and not heard that before.

The ATF guidance still allows pin and weld as an acceptable way to extend the length of a barrel (over 16”, as it’s “permanent”). We’ll see what gets sold I guess as compliant.
 
MAJoe said:
That’s bold, and not heard that before.

The ATF guidance still allows pin and weld as an acceptable way to extend the length of a barrel (over 16”, as it’s “permanent”). We’ll see what gets sold I guess as compliant.
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He's right in the sense that there really isn't case law/guidance about it under the new law but imho it's a difficult sell legally that "inaccessible threads still matter" as ostensibly the reason the feature is banned is because you can attach something to it

I suspect this is likely never going to get answered and many remotes will still sell p&w guns.
 
CatSnoutSoup said:
Wasn't one of the new edicts in this law from the shitlords of beacon hill that no "compliance work" could be done?

🐯
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Yeah but that's potentially only WRT makes it on the (new) roster vs possession? I haven't seen a clause that " something has to be manufactured as compliant" . To be possession legal.
 
Picton said:
It's fully legal to purchase that rifle and bring it home to Massachusetts.

What you choose to do with it, FA10-wise, is up to you. I know I can be a pain about things like this, but I'm not sure why Massachusetts needs to know what you own. Especially in the aftermath of this new law. They've proven you can't trust them to protect your liberties; under those circumstances it might be best to, well, stop trusting them.
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Non-compliance needs to increase from the plebeians.

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drgrant said:
Yeah but that's potentially only WRT makes it on the (new) roster vs possession? I haven't seen a clause that " something has to be manufactured as compliant" . To be possession legal.
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I am sure you are right in that regard.

I was thinking in context of an out of state FFL selling you something that an in state FFL could not, roster aside. M1A and could-they-couldn't-they being the topic.

Honestly though I now regret even broaching the subject as my level of caring is practically nil, I am just bored this morning.

🐯
 

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