The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

Wut?

Pinned and welded over a threaded barrel eliminates the thread.

Most all ar barrels are threaded
It's about threaded barrels not about anything that covers the threads. If it has threads it has threads no matter what is threaded on the threads. The idiots zeroed in on threads and nothing else. They are so F-up they don't even have any idea. Thread are threads, and it doesn't matter about anything else. I am not talking about if it will meet scrutiny it just the way these idiots wrote the law. They have no idea what they are even writing.
 
It's about threaded barrels not about anything that covers the threads. If it has threads it has threads no matter what is threaded on the threads. The idiots zeroed in on threads and nothing else. They are so F-up they don't even have any idea. Thread are threads and it dosent matter about anything else.
Does filing down the threads smooth make a barrel unthreaded?
 
Heard they were checking the address attached to your credit card. The won’t ship to a NH address if you have a MA address as your credit cards billing address.
That's potentially spoofable if you have a CC that will verify to an alternative address. I did that with multiple CCs in the early 2000s because i had to ship computer parts 1 town over (where i had rented space at a business address) numerous sellers would only ship to an address that verified with the CC issuer. You have to call your CC and get the other address on file with them for verification.
 
Does filing down the threads smooth make a barrel unthreaded?
That would work turning down or filing off the threads will make it a non-threaded barrel. Because there will no longer be threads and no threads to install a device. Even though you could sweat fit a device it dosent matter it's about threads not the device that goes on the barrel
 
It's about threaded barrels not about anything that covers the threads. If it has threads it has threads no matter what is threaded on the threads. The idiots zeroed in on threads and nothing else. They are so F-up they don't even have any idea. Thread are threads, and it doesn't matter about anything else. I am not talking about if it will meet scrutiny it just the way these idiots wrote the law. They have no idea what they are even writing.
The current law also says threaded barrel. It’s the nearly the same. Why are you interpreting it this way? We have 30+ years that shows a permanently attached device means it’s not a “flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate one”.
 
Gun Shops have AR's (bought before 8/1) and new Glocks.

How long do they have to sell those guns before they would have to be sold out of state?
Assuming they don't rugsweep all the mass dealers are going to be done on like 10/22 at midnight. Listed glocks are not effectively blocked by any of this garbage. This was discussed elsewhere.
 
Heard they were checking the address attached to your credit card. The won’t ship to a NH address if you have a MA address as your credit cards billing address.
Depends on the vendor and/or your CC company I guess? When I shipped ammo and other stuff from Natchez shooters supply to the UPS Store, I put the UPS Store as my billing address and it went through.
 
Assuming they don't rugsweep all the mass dealers are going to be done on like 10/22 at midnight. Listed glocks are not effectively blocked by any of this garbage. This was discussed elsewhere.
What do you mean by "listed Glocks"?

Pre 10/98 Glocks?
 
That's potentially spoofable if you have a CC that will verify to an alternative address. I did that with multiple CCs in the early 2000s because i had to ship computer parts 1 town over (where i had rented space at a business address) numerous sellers would only ship to an address that verified with the CC issuer. You have to call your CC and get the other address on file with them for verification.
Change your billing address to the UPS store and then go paperless with the cc company?
 
Depends on the vendor and/or your CC company I guess? When I shipped ammo and other stuff from Natchez shooters supply to the UPS Store, I put the UPS Store as my billing address and it went through.
I did the same for Midway and they called to verify the address
 
The current law also says threaded barrel. It’s the nearly the same. Why are you interpreting it this way? We have 30+ years that shows a permanently attached device means it’s not a “flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate one”.
Interpret it as you like. Right now there is no guidance.
 
Interpret it as you like. Right now there is no guidance.
On a side note...
Quite a few muzzle devices have the addition of threads for attaching suppressors over them and I've always wondered about the ramifications of covering up the barrel threads with another set of exposed threads.
Asked Randy his opinion on it once and the reply was more or less that since those threads weren't specifically for attaching a flash hider as the current law (not 4885) states, then it's good to go.

Another aspect of this I could never get an answer to is muzzle devices that slide on to an unthreaded barrel and attach with a perpendicular roll or taper pin, mini 14's come to mind there.
 
Interpret it as you like. Right now there is no guidance.
We also have the ATF guidance which says a permanently attached device is part of the barrel.

What about barrels that thread into the breach or trunnion? It doesn’t say what end of the barrel… see where this can go?
 
We also have the ATF guidance which says a permanently attached device is part of the barrel.

What about barrels that thread into the breach or trunnion? It doesn’t say what end of the barrel… see where this can go?
Yes I know. I don't think Massachusetts even cares what the ATF position on this is. Massachusetts feels they don't have to be in step with anything or anybody. They feel they can do what they please. As I stated before interpret anyway you want. I am certainly no authority on how the Massachusetts ledgeslature thinks or how they will ultimately interpret what they wrote in this law. I don't think they even know.
 
The current law also says threaded barrel. It’s the nearly the same. Why are you interpreting it this way? We have 30+ years that shows a permanently attached device means it’s not a “flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate one”.
Because Massachusetts dosent care. They are so fixated on threaded barrel they have lost sight of everything else. They can't see the forest through the trees. Stupid and short sighted.
 
Chris get some sleep. By now your are well versed in AR and Glock acquisition in MA.
Thank you. Yes, I know how to get those guns.

I was just wondering what options are available for FFLs after the deadline.

Edit: As in how to sell off left over stock.
 
Because Massachusetts dosent care. They are so fixated on threaded barrel they have lost sight of everything else. They can't see the forest through the trees. Stupid and short sighted.
I think the logic they will use is that if the pinned and welded device becomes part of the barrel thus negating the threaded barrel, and is used in the calculation of barrel length, so that the extending device becomes part of the barrel, then the threads on the device, which is part of the barrel, thus the threads are on part of the barrel as well.

This is what happens when you grow up with lawyers in the family.
 
I think the logic they will use is that if the pinned and welded device becomes part of the barrel thus negating the threaded barrel, and is used in the calculation of barrel length, so that the extending device becomes part of the barrel, then the threads on the device, which is part of the barrel, thus the threads are on part of the barrel as well.

This is what happens when you grow up with lawyers in the family.
I agree with this but also I'm simultaneously going to say that this issue will never be examined. 🤣 like there's a point of absurdity with this crap that is clearly detectable and once you go past that point you know it's never going to enter a court of law. Then again I kind of get it because they're stupid cases based off of shit like the Lacey act where dick self punching type bullshit actually ends up mattering but that's federal court and kind of a whole different ball game. Some typical mass DA isn't likely to turn an unusable threaded barrel into a capital crime. Especially not when a layperson can't tell how a device is attached to a rifle without a f***ing x-ray machine. 🤣 It's not reasonable to assert that an average person would be able to know that there are actually threads under there or if it's just sweated on or if it's sleeved or if it's welded with a pin or some other bullshit.

The trash interp also breaks like decades of precedent and has a potential to contradict numerous other laws. You can't say a barrel is measured to the end of the permanent device anymore if the argument "is that the device isn't part of the barrel. " They can't have it both ways.

Even worrying about this is just dick self punching.

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I think the logic they will use is that if the pinned and welded device becomes part of the barrel thus negating the threaded barrel, and is used in the calculation of barrel length, so that the extending device becomes part of the barrel, then the threads on the device, which is part of the barrel, thus the threads are on part of the barrel as well.

This is what happens when you grow up with lawyers in the family.
Except it's anyone's guess what these clowns were thinking or are thinking.
 
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