The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[VTski4x4]

GOA just emailed that their lawsuit printer is warming up. We've now got GOA, FPC, and GOAL making ready for war.

 

[Grendizer138]

Speaking of pant-shitting, I managed to talk myself out of a 5.56 Spear at my LGS because I get delayed every purchase and if this pile of shit gets signed while I’m delayed I’d potentially own a gun I couldn’t possess.

I don’t even recognize myself anymore.

 

[LakeTrout]

So if FFLs refused to transfer is the way.

You’re right. But it won’t happen. FFLs could have been doing this for a long time now to stand against the police unions that support these double standards, but they haven’t. Now take away half their business and ask them to refuse money to do a simple transfer? Not gonna happen.

Take away half of someone’s business

 

[42!]

But, what if I think about them while I am in NH. Is that legal?

In NH hi cap mags are mandatory, they issue you one with your drivers license

 

[808]

You’re right. But it won’t happen. FFLs could have been doing this for a long time now to stand against the police unions that support these double standards, but they haven’t. Now take away half their business and ask them to refuse money to do a simple transfer? Not gonna happen.

Take away half of someone’s business

Sadly, you are correct.

 

[LakeTrout]

In NH hi cap mags are mandatory, they issue you one with your drivers license

They also don’t call them hi cap mags

 

[MAJoe]

Are you sure ? Adjustable stocks are pinned muzzle brakes are pinned and welded. They are not manufactured that way.

Forget the current law. The new bill says

(f) a copy or duplicate of any firearm meeting the standards of or enumerated in clauses (d) and (e); provided, that for the purposes of this subsection, “copy or duplicate” shall mean a firearm: (A) that was manufactured or subsequently configured with an ability to accept a detachable magazine

 

[CrackPot]

It needs to be manufactured that way, not converted.

This is a correct statement with regards to being a detachable or fixed mag. All other features can be neutered. But the new language says something to the effect of detachable mag or had a detachable mag. I can look up the exact language if people can’t find it. But you can’t make a detachable mag gun fixed after it’s manufactured as detachable.

A 07 can clearly take a receiver and make it fixed and build a rifle such that the rifle is manufactured as a fixed mag rifle from the beginning. But once a detachable mag rifle, it never loses that attribute

 

[Martinilover]

Forget the current law. The new bill says

But again we’re talking ex post facto. That is not a law yet. They cannot impose that definition on something you have prior to its signing.

 

[CrackPot]

Forget the current law. The new bill says

Thanks. I was too lazy to go grab the text.

 

[CrackPot]

But again we’re talking ex post facto. That is not a law yet. They cannot impose that definition on something you have prior to its signing.

There is no discussion of existing, just new. If lawfully possessed on 8/1 you are fine. We are discussing post 8/1.

Can you make a detachable mag gun fixed AFTER the law goes into effect. No.

What you currently have is fine.

 

[CrackPot]

Is this an example of ex post facto? That new definition starts when the bill is signed. And can’t be applied to firearms that already exist?

I recommend not using the term ex post facto. Nothing I have seen is ex post facto. People throw it around like “shall not be infringed”.

We are discussing what the new law allows or not. ALL ASWs lawfully possessed on 8/1/24 are still lawful. So nothing is going backwards and changing what is legal today.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I recommend not using the term ex post facto. Nothing I have seen is ex post facto. People throw it around like “shall not be infringed”.

We are discussing what the new law allows or not. ALL ASWs lawfully possessed on 8/1/24 are still lawful. So nothing is going backwards and changing what is legal today.

But some actons are, like carrying a >10 round pre ban mag in your defensive weapon.

 

[Mark from ?]

What most people fail to realize is, that a good majority of Illinois is not leftist, commie democrats. What throws the voting numbers off is Chicago. Most of the rest of the state is rural right leaning republicans.

Same thing happens here...central MA is red. However cities are so Boston, Worcester, and Springfield are so close, you get a full smattering of liberal morons from the city that overcome our country red vote.

I still say no one is coming out to Barre, MA to take guns from people and if they do......umm...good luck.

Don't think we are all retards here. We have our share of freedom in the country and what's kept me here for this long and for people staying, I recommend it highly.

 

[FalArAk]

I much prefer the @peterk123 model. Show all the great things about the new state and just make us all jealous of the freedom and opportunities elsewhere.

Amazingly enough very few if any of his threads involve gunz.

He is literally living the dream I had since I first went to MT 30 years ago for a backpacking trip, and none of that dream involved having 100 trillion guns all holed up alone waiting for civil war 2 typing angrily worded posts on message boards deriding others on their choice of state in which they choose to live.

 

[mac1911]

@Tallahassee i think there’s grandfathering….thats all that matters right?….we’re good….

I think the “committee” language is the real sketchy part. It seems to me like they put into law to do what the ATF just got slapped in the wrist for over pistol braces.
Maybe my reading comprehension is really bad and I know my understanding of the language of laws is not good at all.
Although I feel like they just put in the law that they can change the law and rules and regulations on a whim without actually having to change the law or rules or regulations

 

[Mark from ?]

Speaking of pant-shitting, I managed to talk myself out of a 5.56 Spear at my LGS because I get delayed every purchase and if this pile of shit gets signed while I’m delayed I’d potentially own a gun I couldn’t possess.

I don’t even recognize myself anymore.

Punch yourself in the junk and say three Hail Mary's. You'll be absolved til 8/1.

 

[Uzi2]

Same thing happens here...central MA is red. However cities are so Boston, Worcester, and Springfield are so close, you get a full smattering of liberal morons from the city that overcome our country red vote.

I still say no one is coming out to Barre, MA to take guns from people and if they do......umm...good luck.

Don't think we are all retards here. We have our share of freedom in the country and what's kept me here for this long and for people staying, I recommend it highly.

I dare you to make that same post after some eager cop cuffs and stuffs you. You will (maybe) wake up to the actual police state that you live in real quick.

 

[Mark from ?]

Amazingly enough very few if any of his threads involve gunz.

He is literally living the dream I had since I first went to MT 30 years ago for a backpacking trip, and none of that dream involved having 100 trillion guns all holed up alone waiting for civil war 2 typing angrily worded posts on message boards deriding others on their choice of state in which they choose to live.

The older you get gunz matter less, and freedom and time being free are all that matters.

 

[EJFudd]

I'd rather hear it from someone smarter than me, but I think if something is already failing the "two feature" test but remains legal to own because it was legally possessed on 8/1, then it's possible you can undo compliance work once the law is in effect.

I hope you are right. That would be a small but nice consolation prize in an otherwise anti-Constitutional shit sandwich.

CrackPot will call me crazy but this is the plain reading of the bills language.

I dearly wish you and Crackpot would get back on the same page. I respect you both. We need you both. You both make excellent points and you are both helpful, but can't seem to get over the weird situation with the state's "transfers" database. Crackpot is right that it is not a true gun registration system. Pastera is right that the state has used it as such (despite the name and problems & exceptions) for over 50 years now. Can we ever get past this point?

She may be pissed - she should be since this steaming pile goes so far that even the 1st Circus might be force to place an injunction against the roster parts making it easy to buy pretty much anything that's not "assault-style".

Wishful thinking. Maura's extreme leftist brain does not function that way at all.

I really wish GOAL would stop doing this, to the extent there is ambiguity in the language. At least get someone capable to include qualifiers in the statements. If they’re not careful they’ll end up doing more harm than good.

Yes... PLEASE! From your keyboard to God's in-box. GOAL is not helping us at all with some of these confusing, nonsensical interpretations... sort of pretending that silly bugs and likely mistakes in the new law were/are 100% intentional. We can see that there are problems with some provisions that don't make any sense even to a rabid anti-2A lefty. Please start all over again from scratch GOAL and give us an analysis that helps us, not hurts us with oddball interpretations.

Now, flame away GOAL fans. I am ready.

 

[AJK129]

Amazingly enough very few if any of his threads involve gunz.

He is literally living the dream I had since I first went to MT 30 years ago for a backpacking trip, and none of that dream involved having 100 trillion guns all holed up alone waiting for civil war 2 typing angrily worded posts on message boards deriding others on their choice of state in which they choose to live.

Guns are a good litmus test for freedom, but they also aren't everything.

MA fails almost every freedom test these days though. At least they dont tax our clothes I guess

 

[Mark from ?]

I dare you to make that same post after some eager cop cuffs and stuffs you. You will (maybe) wake up to the actual police state that you live in real quick.

Dude...you are much over the top......unless you live in country bumpkin MA, you know not what of what you speak. Relax.

My neighbor was a state cop and my best friend a central MA town chief, and both knew what I owned and didn't give a rats ass.

Every place in MA is not Cambridge or Boston. Acreage or a large club in North Central with a lot of like thinking people......goes a long way dude.

Sure there is a threat of a boot on your neck.....but the majority of us country bumpkins don't go near 495 and in where the idiots are.

I do say we are getting infiltrated now though and this bill will suck donkey balls.

And for the record, Im moving to not only a free state in a week, but an income tax free state, and all my non ma shit...is already there.

 

[M125X]

The new bill actually says prior to 7/20/16.

That would mean the rush to buy ARs on 7/20… that’s all documented felonies in 90 days if you still own it.

Cool, so like half of NES? I know plenty who bought that day.

 

[chris_1001]

Guns are a good litmus test for freedom, but they also aren't everything.

MA fails almost every freedom test these days though. At least they dont tax our clothes I guess

 

[AJK129]

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[Woodsloafer]

Dude...you are much over the top......unless you live in country bumpkin MA, you know not what of what you speak. Relax.

My neighbor was a state cop and my best friend a central MA town chief, and both knew what I owned and didn't give a rats ass.

Every place in MA is not Cambridge or Boston. Acreage or a large club in North Central with a lot of like thinking people......goes a long way dude.

Sure there is a threat of a boot on your neck.....but the majority of us country bumpkins don't go near 495 and in where the idiots are.

I do say we are getting infiltrated now though and this bill will suck donkey balls.

And for the record, Im moving to not only a free state in a week, but an income tax free state, and all my non ma shit...is already there.

I have a few friends who are cops as well, they don't give a shit about who owns what guns either. Don't do something stupid that attracts law enforcement and you'll have no issues. There are plenty of verboten guns out there now owned by people who haven't been arrested, etc., and I expect it will continue to be status quo. However, smack your wife or someone else around, make crazy threats, DWI with a bunch of guns on your backseat, etc. and all bets are off.

 

[chris_1001]

OK mr fancy pants

Just pointing out that MA wants its cut of most everything...

We are soooooo far from free here its disgusting.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Just pointing out that MA wants its cut of most everything...

We are soooooo far from free here its disgusting.

They always have.

 

[scott-o]

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[Picton]

my guess is there trying to either make it more palatable or cram more bs into it

They can't. It's been passed by both houses: they can't do anything else to change it now without reintroducing it and voting again. Their wording is set in stone.

It's literally sitting, finished, on the governor's desk. She can either sign it, veto it, or let it sit.