The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[BlastingRaccoon47]

Go kick some ass like the Jan 6th guys did. Except in a totally communist state with very few active gun owners. Half of which are Fudds and closet Dems. The other half are sheep

Are you seriously comparing the government, media and their absolute power and the free flowing tax money we give to them to what the British had?

When Obama said they have drones to our AR 15s hes not wrong.

All one needs to remember is how easily they went door to door busting up peoples houses looking for the Boston bomber, to recall what kind of power they have and what most of the people in this state will allow when push comes to shove.

I applaud the enthusiasm but like many people say, they like their six figure salary comforts here and would rather take whatever Healey will dish out than be on the ass end of a Jan 6th type witch burning.

Im not saying moving is the answer either for everyone. But suggesting what I think you are is ludicrous and silly.

You seem to have blown in from stupid town so allow me to rephrase:

There are better ways to fight this battle than through violence. But the point I’m making here is you can either bend over backwards and hightail it out like a coward, or you can put effort and resources into actually sticking up for your rights and giving them the middle finger.

It’s your choice at the end of the day, we won’t judge you.

 

[Laderbuilt]

I was watching a video on this monstrosity and the guy said that unlicensed non-residents can carry a firearm while traveling through the state in a vehicle as long as they aren't stopping and the firearm doesn't leave their direct control!?! WHAT!? That can't be right

In this case that is what it seems to do.

 

[Lokdog]

In this case that is what it seems to do.

Typical. Loosen up on that but crush the people that live there

 

[nm1]

Except that pesky Federal law that says that long guns out of state MUST be lawful in your home state.

Wouldn't this be the case for any post 8/1 rules non-AWs which would be lawful to posses in MA, but not available through retail commerce due to roster rules? (same would be the case for post 8/1 move-ins to MA)

 

[Darksideblues42]

Wouldn't this be the case for any post 8/1 rules non-AWs which would be lawful to posses in MA, but not available through retail commerce due to roster rules? (same would be the case for post 8/1 move-ins to MA)

Plain letter reading of the rules/laws, yes

 

[CrackPot]

I appreciate the response. Just so I can wrap my head around this, because it’s pre sept 13, 94’ it is NOT an ASW therefore not subject to features test and can utilize all features. Did I get that right? The bill is not reverting that?

It doesn’t say that. You are grandfathered because it’s lawfully possessed on 8/1. If they said it’s not an ASW because is pre94 then we could import more into the state. They want no import.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

The other side of that is she doesn't want to be the governor who got the entire MA gun scheme overturned, she wouldn't be too popular. Of course I'm 100% wrong on this more than likely.

She would never be looked at as the governor who had the Ma gun control scheme overturned. The extremists in the SCOTUS, that do not care about the children, would be the reason the anti-gun scheme fell apart. The media would frame her as a hero that took on the MAGA extreme courts.

 

[pastera]

So in other words pre bans will need compliance work? Or are pre bans not considered “assault style” weapons, therefore exempt?

No, prebans are preban as far as compliance work so none is necessary.
This bill changes the law to meet the decree - Once an AW always an AW so compliance work doesn't cure AW status.
In order to side step a takings clause violation they are exempting (grandfathering) everything in the state that is listed in the transaction portal (registered) as of 8/1.
So after 8/1 you can't bring firearms (which now include frames and receivers) in Mass if they weren't registered here some time in the past.
CrackPot will call me crazy but this is the plain reading of the bills language.

 

[pastera]

I was watching a video on this monstrosity and the guy said that unlicensed non-residents can carry a firearm while traveling through the state in a vehicle as long as they aren't stopping and the firearm doesn't leave their direct control!?! WHAT!? That can't be right

No, it's exactly correct
It's also what Rhode Island does but they also allow for brief stops necessary for travel (don't need to disarm to grab gas or a piss break)

 

[pastera]

Wouldn't this be the case for any post 8/1 rules non-AWs which would be lawful to posses in MA, but not available through retail commerce due to roster rules? (same would be the case for post 8/1 move-ins to MA)

You will be able to purchase non-assault-style long gun and shotguns out of state and register them once back home.
The restrictions on off list guns is on dealers transferring them to you.

 

[whacko]

No, it's exactly correct
It's also what Rhode Island does but they also allow for brief stops necessary for travel (don't need to disarm to grab gas or a piss break)

Fopa always allowed for transport thru a state anyway. I laughed when I read that part of the bill......federal government had that covered already technically.

 

[Rick1987]

Fopa always allowed for transport thru a state anyway. I laughed when I read that part of the bill......federal government had that covered already technically.

Only FOPA makes you lock your shit up in the trunk. Now non residents can carry their handgun on their person. Without a license to carry. Hahaha
I guarantee they didn't mean to do that.

 

[headednorth]

Alternately, get a cheap plastic case and use the cheapest padlocks you can find. I go cheap on this shit because I’m not participating in my own abuse

Does a zip tie count?

 

[headednorth]

"local authorities are baffled about how several hundred people are all signed on to lease this 1 apartment"

Todos somos hispanos ahora.

Technically I shouldnt say that because it says "signed on to lease".

Ahora todos tenemos docenas de nombres escritos en el buzón

Better...

 

[Ultimate Shield]

Am I interpreting this correctly that GOAL is stating the language of the bill as written makes any post 7/20/2016 AR's purchased in state between then and 8/1/2024 will indeed be considered as Felonies? (Healey's letter acting as a "legal" notification to stop sales/purchases, affirming those post 7/20 purchases as felonies and possibly working around ex post facto with 8/1?)

And presumably the state will be offering a mass buy back for the presumably thousands of those who have them in order to to avoid legal cases being brought eventually against someone with enough time and $$$$$ to fight years and years of legal battle that may overturn this?

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[HARRYM]

I'm not a lawyer but thankfully I am smart enough to belong to, and financially support, organizations who have lawyers and the expertise to help us confront these Leftists 2A infringements.

 

[Lank]

I'm not a lawyer but thankfully I am smart enough to belong to, and financially support, organizations who have lawyers and the expertise to help us confront these Leftists 2A infringements.

As am I. I am curious about pending lawsuits to bust up this bullshit

 

[pastera]

Fopa always allowed for transport thru a state anyway. I laughed when I read that part of the bill......federal government had that covered already technically.

FOPA does not allow carry - this change does.
I believe this is to head off what they know is the next step in 2A advocacy, national carry.

 

[67ray]

They redefined the term firearm:

Firearm”, a stun gun, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, large capacity firearm, assault-style firearm and machine gun, loaded or unloaded, which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a shot or bullet; the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm; provided, however, that “firearm” shall not include any antique firearm or permanently inoperable firearm.

Just reading this again and don't see a carve out for black powder/muzzle loaders

 

[nightpoison]

What's the hold up? Has Healey signed this steaming pile of shit yet?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no rush for it to be signed, but I haven't seen any indication that it's been signed. So I'm curious, as I'm surprised that it wasn't signed day 1, as to what Healey is waiting for.

Of course the rumor mill is always about, Ive heard from my cousin, who is sleeping with a friend on the side, who cuts the hair of the guy, who walks the dog of someones friend, who knows someone that Healey is actually pissed this Bill was passed.

I can only speculate that there may be some truth to it, seeing how she fly over on her broom same day to sign it.

It doesn't much matter, just curious

 

[not new guy]

Can we please not rush this along? It is happening though, no doubt about that.

 

[Spooonnss]

Realistically, what guns are not large capacity? It seems like every pistol out there, aside from pocket pistols, are capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Would my shield plus be allowed to be carried with my 10 round mag even if they make 13 rounders for it. Or even my glock 19 (gen 5).

 

[MAJoe]

Realistically, what guns are not large capacity? It seems like every pistol out there, aside from pocket pistols, are capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Would my shield plus be allowed to be carried with my 10 round mag even if they make 13 rounders for it. Or even my glock 19 (gen 5).

Large capacity firearm doesn’t really matter if you have an LTC. It’s just a way to keep FID owners from owning many rifles and handguns.

 

[Rick1987]

Realistically, what guns are not large capacity? It seems like every pistol out there, aside from pocket pistols, are capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Would my shield plus be allowed to be carried with my 10 round mag even if they make 13 rounders for it. Or even my glock 19 (gen 5).

I think, if they are on the roster, then yes, they are good to go.

But there is no roster for rifles and shotguns. And who knows when or if there becomes one.

 

[pastera]

Just reading this again and don't see a carve out for black powder/muzzle loaders

It's in the definition of an antique firearm

130 “Antique firearm”, any firearm or replica thereof manufactured in or prior to the year
131 1899 if such firearm: (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire
132 fixed ammunition; or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no
133 longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary
134 channels of commercial trade; provided, that “antique firearm” shall include any muzzle loading
135 rifle, shotgun or pistol that is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and
136 that cannot use fixed ammunition, unless the firearm

 

[pastera]

As am I. I am curious about pending lawsuits to bust up this bullshit

Keep an eye on the Illinois cases over the Maryland ones

Either reaching SCOTUS means an end to assault weapons bans but I believe the 7th circuit ones are better situated and timed.

 

[Mark from ?]

You seem to have blown in from stupid town so allow me to rephrase:

There are better ways to fight this battle than through violence. But the point I’m making here is you can either bend over backwards and hightail it out like a coward, or you can put effort and resources into actually sticking up for your rights and giving them the middle finger.

It’s your choice at the end of the day, we won’t judge you.

I don't know how old you are........Im 55, I've been fighting this battle for 40 years in this state since my FID was printed in 1985 dude......see where its gotten us is all Im saying.

More power to you...maybe your young and can take my place in the fight.....

You called me a coward for leaving....Id say that's judging me already. Your doing exactly what the guys telling people to leave are doing..... judging. But that's OK.......I guess my 55 years of sitting here taking it up the ass from these pols kinda makes me feel like one.

Im not one of the guys that would chide anyone for staying here...moving is for personal reasons, and Im not moving because of this stupid gun bill, it just happens to go along with it.

I am sticking up for my rights and giving them the middle finger....by not giving them a thin fxcking dime of tax money anymore to circumvent my rights. But maybe your the one from stupid town that doesn't understand that.

No worries, I'll always be a member of GOAL at the very least......no matter where I live. And I hope SCOTUS acts and it works for you.

Enough infighting......BTT.

 

[pastera]

What's the hold up? Has Healey signed this steaming pile of shit yet?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no rush for it to be signed, but I haven't seen any indication that it's been signed. So I'm curious, as I'm surprised that it wasn't signed day 1, as to what Healey is waiting for.

Of course the rumor mill is always about, Ive heard from my cousin, who is sleeping with a friend on the side, who cuts the hair of the guy, who walks the dog of someones friend, who knows someone that Healey is actually pissed this Bill was passed.

I can only speculate that there may be some truth to it, seeing how she fly over on her broom same day to sign it.

It doesn't much matter, just curious

She may be pissed - she should be since this steaming pile goes so far that even the 1st Circus might be force to place an injunction against the roster parts making it easy to buy pretty much anything that's not "assault-style".

 

[pastera]

I don't know how old you are........Im 55, I've been fighting this battle for 40 years in this state since my FID was printed in 1985 dude......see where its gotten us is all Im saying.

More power to you...maybe your young and can take my place in the fight.....

You called me a coward for leaving....Id say that's judging me already. But that's OK.......I guess my 55 years of sitting here taking it up the ass from these pols kinda makes me feel like one too.....

Im not one of the guys that would chide anyone for staying here...moving is for personal reasons, and Im not moving because of this stupid gun bill, it just happens to go along with it.

I am sticking up for my rights and giving them the middle finger....by not giving them a fxcking dime of tax money anymore to circumvent my rights. But maybe your the one from stupid town that doesn't understand that.

Voting with your tax dollars is a very effective way of fighting this shit.
It starves them of money and electoral power.

Moving to a purple state and helping it turn red is patriotic.

 

[Martinilover]

Am I interpreting this correctly that GOAL is stating the language of the bill as written makes any post 7/20/2016 AR's purchased in state between then and 8/1/2024 will indeed be considered as Felonies? (Healey's letter acting as a "legal" notification to stop sales/purchases, affirming those post 7/20 purchases as felonies and possibly working around ex post facto with 8/1?)

And presumably the state will be offering a mass buy back for the presumably thousands of those who have them in order to to avoid legal cases being brought eventually against someone with enough time and $$$$$ to fight years and years of legal battle that may overturn this?

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If that comes to being - just slap a “mag lock “ on the rifle. With a fixed mag it’s no longer an assault rifle.