The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

Mark from ? said:
I don't know how old you are........Im 55, I've been fighting this battle for 40 years in this state since my FID was printed in 1985 dude......see where its gotten us is all Im saying.

More power to you...maybe your young and can take my place in the fight.....

You called me a coward for leaving....Id say that's judging me already. Your doing exactly what the guys telling people to leave are doing..... judging. But that's OK.......I guess my 55 years of sitting here taking it up the ass from these pols kinda makes me feel like one.

Im not one of the guys that would chide anyone for staying here...moving is for personal reasons, and Im not moving because of this stupid gun bill, it just happens to go along with it.

I am sticking up for my rights and giving them the middle finger....by not giving them a thin fxcking dime of tax money anymore to circumvent my rights. But maybe your the one from stupid town that doesn't understand that.

No worries, I'll always be a member of GOAL at the very least......no matter where I live. And I hope SCOTUS acts and it works for you.

Enough infighting......BTT.
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You’re right, that was uncalled for.

All I’m trying to say here is that we can either leave in droves and make things worse for people who can’t, or we can stand up for our liberty and freedom and fight this.
 
VTski4x4 said:
New instructions for heirs:

1. Don't report the death.
2. Hide my body
3. Enjoy my guns, cars, boat etc.
4. Keep collecting my SS until corpse hits a "suspicious" age
5. When I would finally be 98-100ish, report me missing.

Just make sure they'll never find the body.

I kid....


Sort of.
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6. Keep casting a vote in every election against these Commie Fvcks!
 
CrackPot said:
I have stopped accepting transfers in part because of limbo but more because of time. I dont have time to log guns in and then do backgrounds for $25 a pop. Every minute im in the shop is helping customers and selling guns. I want to sell out my inventory, not sell someone else's inventory.

So no transfers and I won't order stuff for people. I know a couple dealers ordering stuff, taking full payment in advance. They are unaware that this could take effect today if the governor signs and gives it an emergency order effective today. They also seem unfamiliar with Chapter 93A and treble damages. A gun dealer has zero chances of prevailing in a 93A claim in MA.
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You better take the 17 Hi-Points I just ordered. They will be there on Friday.
 
Ultimate Shield said:
Am I interpreting this correctly that GOAL is stating the language of the bill as written makes any post 7/20/2016 AR's purchased in state between then and 8/1/2024 will indeed be considered as Felonies? (Healey's letter acting as a "legal" notification to stop sales/purchases, affirming those post 7/20 purchases as felonies and possibly working around ex post facto with 8/1?)

And presumably the state will be offering a mass buy back for the presumably thousands of those who have them in order to to avoid legal cases being brought eventually against someone with enough time and $$$$$ to fight years and years of legal battle that may overturn this?

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I really wish GOAL would stop doing this, to the extent there is ambiguity in the language. At least get someone capable to include qualifiers in the statements. If they’re not careful they’ll end up doing more harm than good.
 
Lokdog said:
I was watching a video on this monstrosity and the guy said that unlicensed non-residents can carry a firearm while traveling through the state in a vehicle as long as they aren't stopping and the firearm doesn't leave their direct control!?! WHAT!? That can't be right
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The question I have is, what is "through" the state? If I leave NH drive into MA and then back to NH, is that through? Or is it only if I enter MA from one state and leave into a different state? And if I'm on private property in MA, and the owner is OK with it, can I carry?
 
MAJoe said:
It needs to be manufactured that way, not converted.
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My interpretation is that it can't be imported into the state as an assault weapon. Someone else out of state, if need be, can perform the compliance work and then ship back into MA. Having some experience shipping to California, it's common for a CA dealer to have a dealer in another state order the item, do the compliance work, and then ship back to CA as dealers cannot import "assault weapons." I'm doing this with an Aug Clone for someone now. It seems like this is the path MA may be taking. If receivers of non-assault style weapons are allowed, someone in MA can perform the compliance work (similar, again, to CA).
 
Reading all the comments and understanding the uncertainty and fears about what could happen here in MA got me thinking about California and illinois.

From what I understand they passed similar ban laws in those states right?

What's happening to gun owners there in regards to compliance, enforcement, legal cases?

For example I think Illinois passed "mandatory registration" and I read something that a huge percentage are not complying.

Are gun owners being prosecuted? Is Illinois Law Enforcement going door to door right now?
 
nightpoison said:
What's the hold up? Has Healey signed this steaming pile of shit yet?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no rush for it to be signed, but I haven't seen any indication that it's been signed. So I'm curious, as I'm surprised that it wasn't signed day 1, as to what Healey is waiting for.

Of course the rumor mill is always about, Ive heard from my cousin, who is sleeping with a friend on the side, who cuts the hair of the guy, who walks the dog of someones friend, who knows someone that Healey is actually pissed this Bill was passed.

I can only speculate that there may be some truth to it, seeing how she fly over on her broom same day to sign it.

It doesn't much matter, just curious
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I'm also surprised they haven't had the dog and pony show of her signing it yet as well my guess is there trying to either make it more palatable or cram more bs into it
 
Biggles77 said:
Reading all the comments and understanding the uncertainty and fears about what could happen here in MA got me thinking about California and illinois.

From what I understand they passed similar ban laws in those states right?

What's happening to gun owners there in regards to compliance, enforcement, legal cases?

For example I think Illinois passed "mandatory registration" and I read something that a huge percentage are not complying.

Are gun owners being prosecuted? Is Illinois Law Enforcement going door to door right now?
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What is the compliance rate for gun registration in Illinois?
between 4% and 8%
Dan Eldridge of Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois said other estimates of those who actually own the now-baned guns may bring the compliance rate to somewhere between 4% and 8%. “These are absolute best case numbers for the state, that under 10% compliance, we think it's close to [4%].Jan 10, 2024

DO NOT COMPLY!
 
pastera said:
Voting with your tax dollars is a very effective way of fighting this shit.
It starves them of money and electoral power.

Moving to a purple state and helping it turn red is patriotic.
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My town and income taxes will be recirculated tax money now...where once it was from a private company funded source, it will now be from a town pension. Town pensions are good, but not that good....and I don't think they pay state tax on it either. Ouch. Total loss possible to the state on the big income tax bill we paid every year if Im correct.

Voting.....they've blown away our votes with 100 illegals at the the Gardner Super 8 motel, another 100 or so at the Westminster shit bird hotel off 2A and so on. Like it or not...voting....they are winning that game hard, all paid for by the MA taxpayer.

Bringing illegals into the countryside hotels and harvesting their mail in votes in Red towns with us footing the bill due to a mandatory shelter rule.....Fxcking brilliant really. Figure at least 3 ballots per illegal or more sent to them. Pretty soon central MA red towns be turning blue.
 
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808 said:
What is the compliance rate for gun registration in Illinois?
between 4% and 8%
Dan Eldridge of Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois said other estimates of those who actually own the now-baned guns may bring the compliance rate to somewhere between 4% and 8%. “These are absolute best case numbers for the state, that under 10% compliance, we think it's close to [4%].Jan 10, 2024

DO NOT COMPLY!
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What most people fail to realize is, that a good majority of Illinois is not leftist, commie democrats. What throws the voting numbers off is Chicago. Most of the rest of the state is rural right leaning republicans.
 
Uzi2 said:
What most people fail to realize is, that a good majority of Illinois is not leftist, commie democrats. What throws the voting numbers off is Chicago. Most of the rest of the state is rural right leaning republicans.
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I work in central Illinois, and those guys are some of the best in the country. Super nice and super into guns.

I went to a military museum with one of them who's a marine and it was one of the best experiences ive had
 
BlastingRaccoon47 said:
You’re right, that was uncalled for.

All I’m trying to say here is that we can either leave in droves and make things worse for people who can’t, or we can stand up for our liberty and freedom and fight this.
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The fight is over. There is no fight and there hasnt been a fight in decades.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry. But for many liberty minded conservatives New England is lost.

Like Mark, I didn't move only because of MA gun law. I moved because the state has been taken over by covid obsessed woke monsters. And I don't want to raise a family anywhere near it.
 
BlastingRaccoon47 said:
You’re right, that was uncalled for.

All I’m trying to say here is that we can either leave in droves and make things worse for people who can’t, or we can stand up for our liberty and freedom and fight this.
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Don't choke on your fvcking halo numb nuts!!!!

Do you not understand that you are shoveling shit against the tide?
You are NEVER going to change the tide in Massachusetts. It has been flowing against gun owners forever.

Wake up and save yourself if you can.
 
If they try to prosecute anybody with this stuff after the fact. Could it become a class action law suit against the state for making us felons? If a stupid question let the beating begin.
 
BlastingRaccoon47 said:
You’re right, that was uncalled for.

All I’m trying to say here is that we can either leave in droves and make things worse for people who can’t, or we can stand up for our liberty and freedom and fight this.
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Fully understood and I wish 1/4 of the gun owners had the same enthusiasm....but even then.....we are a miniscule percentage of the sheep in this state and I think outnumbered is more and more the tea leaves Ive been reading for the last 50 years.

Unfortunately with the blatant disregard for our freedoms that the majority of politicians have for us....who will still get elected after this shit show. There is no personal accountability at the voting booth.

Leaving us what to fix the problem really? Letting it get so bad that people will see the light? How long does that take in a state full of Dem sheep who think their Pols do no wrong.

The reality is leaving in droves isn't just happening for gun rights...its happening for a lot of reasons due to aging population, weather, illegal coddling, high taxes...you name it.

Mine is my kids moved out and don't want to come back. Forbes says we are #5 on the list for flight. Which honestly if not, the real estate would be that much more retardedly expensive if people actually moved in here.

Again...not advocating anyone leave...its all a personal decision. Stay and fight and ignore this BS and I'll applaud you for it.....but the loopholes are getting few and far between now. It won't affect older gun owners that have shit and some land.

But really....newer guys....you can't buy a semi auto pistol or hunting rifle? Really? That still would affect me if I stayed here....plus all the other shit I haven't bothered to read.
 
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michaelpelosillc said:
My interpretation is that it can't be imported into the state as an assault weapon. Someone else out of state, if need be, can perform the compliance work and then ship back into MA. Having some experience shipping to California, it's common for a CA dealer to have a dealer in another state order the item, do the compliance work, and then ship back to CA as dealers cannot import "assault weapons." I'm doing this with an Aug Clone for someone now. It seems like this is the path MA may be taking. If receivers of non-assault style weapons are allowed, someone in MA can perform the compliance work (similar, again, to CA).
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Understanding that most interesting semi auto rifles are copies or duplicates of enumerated weapons and therefore compliance work is useless. There is nothing that can be done to an existing AR15 to make it legal.
 

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