The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Picton]

Many of us have been hashing this thing out for over a year
Myself and others have published how the previous bills would look when integrated into the current law with detailed commentary on what somenof the legalize means.
Those same same contributors have had lengthy arguments over the ambiguous parts with detailed information supporting each of our positions to include linking pertinent case law.

And interspersed with that is a bunch of people looking to see how they could avoid personal consequences from the changes without having to read the bill of the hundreds of posts where their questions were answered in detail.
Some of us are burnt out so you are likely to get some salty replies

If there is a legitimate question that isn't phrased as a "I'm not going to read 100 pages so can you tell me...", I'm very likely to answer with cites from the law and commentary from case law supporting my position.
I'm not into just giving an answer - I'd rather present the information on how to find the answers yourself in the future.

This.

The answers to most peoples' questions are already here. I'm tired of looking up shit I've already looked up before. People with questions can easily learn to help themselves, and I'm decreasingly hesitant to tell them so.

 

[Admin]

Chief Michael J. Bradley, Jr. is an absolute piece of shit. I'm surprised he was able to write that while watching his wife's boyfriend doing what he can't. He better hope the power stays on.

 

[pastera]

This.

The answers to most peoples' questions are already here. I'm tired of looking up shit I've already looked up before. People with questions can easily learn to help themselves, and I'm decreasingly hesitant to tell them so.

What sucks is that other than the red flag shit I mostly know exactly where in the bill each subject is covered so I can quickly scroll through the pdf on my phone to verify language or copy out text.
What a damn time suck.

And I still have two lowers to machine and build out that I put off.
Maura you can tongue punch my starfish, bitch.

 

[theciviliansupply]

+100

My advice to people in my store is: don't beat up your wife (or spouse/partner), don't drive intoxicated or excessively over a speed limit, and keep your firearms in your safe, and you will avoid 99% of the scenarios where any law enforcement officer has a reason to look into what firearms you own.

 

[Laderbuilt]

They're rushing because if they don't rush, they're afraid they'll be tagged as putting something into EFA10 after 01 AUG. In other words, the rush to get the guns purchased this week is a rush to comply. If sales don't fall off a cliff starting on 02AUG, well, then those are people who aren't rushing to comply.

Everyone wants that sweet, sweet grandfathering. That indicates that they're obeying this law. The noncompliant ones? They're not buying right now. They're already figuring out ways to circumvent the law.

...hypothetically.

I would think your statement is partially correct. You could still have a severe drop off of sales after 8/1, not just because of people being afraid but how many dealers are still going to sell you that (insert whatever fun gun here ) after 8/1. It’s awfully hard to buy it if they won’t sell it.

 

[chris_1001]

I dont think there was anything in there that would actually stop crime.

Unless they made murder illegal too?

Stop making sense!!!!

 

[Picton]

Maura you can tongue punch my starfish, bitch.

Nah. She'd enjoy that too much.

 

[Foudre]

Those red flag laws have the potential to get innocent lives killed or ruined because of some pathetic loser who could decide to flag someone to the state over petty bullshit, followed by possibly violent police response. It doesn't make our state any safer. Total malevolence.

 

[nm1]

https://www.mass.gov/doc/h4885-an-act-modernizing-firearm-lawsthe-gun-bill-has-been-signed-and-chaptered-scanned-copy-attached-here/download

Looks like a regular signature.
If an emergency preamble was added by the governor where would it be recorded?

The bill page is out of date, still shows it hasn’t been signed.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

How could this possibly have any effect over online ammo sales? I did not see anything in the bill about this?

 

[VTski4x4]

How could this possibly have any effect over online ammo sales? I did not see anything in the bill about this?

From my understanding, it lumps ammo and firearms dealers licenses into one license now. No online retailers are going to be able to procure a MA dealer's license.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

From my understanding, it lumps ammo and firearms dealers licenses into one license now. No online retailers are going to be able to procure a MA dealer's license.

How can they even possibly square that with reality? Ammo manufacturing and firearms dealership are COMPLETELY different concepts??? How are they going to get away with this?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[TG Pioneer]

Those red flag laws have the potential to get innocent lives killed or ruined because of some pathetic loser who could decide to flag someone to the state over petty bullshit, followed by possibly violent police response. It doesn't make our state any safer. Total malevolence.

If someone maliciously red flags another without justification of any kind, I wouldn’t blame the wrongfully accused from bringing the falsehoods to fruition. What else do you have to lose? What’s more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose?

A few such consequences could permanently have a chilling effect on such false claims.

 

[Laderbuilt]

How can they even possibly square that with reality? Ammo manufacturing and firearms dealership are COMPLETELY different concepts??? How are they going to get away with this?!?!?!?!?!?

they will get away with it because they said so.
Now young man now go stand in the corner and stop that critical thought.

 

[Nightshift]

Many of us have been hashing this thing out for over a year
Myself and others have published how the previous bills would look when integrated into the current law with detailed commentary on what somenof the legalize means.
Those same same contributors have had lengthy arguments over the ambiguous parts with detailed information supporting each of our positions to include linking pertinent case law.

And interspersed with that is a bunch of people looking to see how they could avoid personal consequences from the changes without having to read the bill of the hundreds of posts where their questions were answered in detail.
Some of us are burnt out so you are likely to get some salty replies

If there is a legitimate question that isn't phrased as a "I'm not going to read 100 pages so can you tell me...", I'm very likely to answer with cites from the law and commentary from case law supporting my position.
I'm not into just giving an answer - I'd rather present the information on how to find the answers yourself in the future.

I get it. I have not posted many to this thread. I have read all even from before they were combined. I have read the new language but its not easy to wrap my brain around. Im not looking for an explanation to this law as I believe it is nonsensical.

The question was an interpretation of copy or duplicate. That is from the 1994 federal law and thus the Mass law before 2016. It would help in a small way to make a little sense of things. I figured some soul could explain that but i guess not. Oh well. Not gonna lose sleep over it.

I do appreciate your insight into this, our fight. There are some who question every question as non-dedication, panic and treachery. Sometimes it’s just a question……. for knowledge.

 

[kalash]

I heard a decent idea today from "someone". Since LEOs abandoned us as soon as they were exempt, we support eradication of qualified immunity.

But I've supported that all along anyways...

 

[chris_1001]

My advice to people in my store is: don't beat up your wife (or spouse/partner), don't drive intoxicated or excessively over a speed limit, and keep your firearms in your safe, and you will avoid 99% of the scenarios where any law enforcement officer has a reason to look into what firearms you own.

You’re not the boss of me!!!!!

(Good advice)

 

[Tallahassee]

From my understanding, it lumps ammo and firearms dealers licenses into one license now. No online retailers are going to be able to procure a MA dealer's license.

They can't get a license now, so what's different?

 

[Picton]

The question was an interpretation of copy or duplicate. That is from the 1994 federal law and thus the Mass law before 2016. It would help in a small way to make a little sense of things. I figured some soul could explain that but i guess not. Oh well. Not gonna lose sleep over it.

“You may also examine the owner’s manual and marketing material for a gun. If a gun is labeled or marketed as ‘the same as’ or ‘similar to’ an ‘AR-15’, ‘AK-47’ or any other Enumerated Weapon, this would strongly suggest that the weapon is prohibited as a ‘copy or duplicate’ [which are prohibited under state law].”

That's from the AG's original FAQ, so it's straight from the horse's mouth. Yes, it's ambiguous; there's a good reason they left it that way. A good rule of thumb? If you own a firearm that shares ANY common parts with an Enumerated Weapon, there's a good chance the AG's office would call it a "copy or duplicate." They suggest you're probably okay with a Mini-14, a PS90, a Tavor, an M14-type clone, and a few other undesirable models I can't be bothered to remember. This topic has been discussed about a hundred times on this site, for eight years now. It's not arcane, hidden knowledge; it's always been available.

Now... I mean, I searched that up in about four seconds. Just sayin'. And it answers nothing, I'm aware. Because, as I've said before, you're not going to get certainty with any aspect of this. They are NOT interested in making sense to you.

 

[Laderbuilt]

I get it. I have not posted many to this thread. I have read all even from before they were combined. I have read the new language but its not easy to wrap my brain around. Im not looking for an explanation to this law as I believe it is nonsensical.

The question was an interpretation of copy or duplicate. That is from the 1994 federal law and thus the Mass law before 2016. It would help in a small way to make a little sense of things. I figured some soul could explain that but i guess not. Oh well. Not gonna lose sleep over it.

I do appreciate your insight into this, our fight. There are some who question every question as non-dedication, panic and treachery. Sometimes it’s just a question……. for knowledge.

Someone kinda answered it to do a poor job at summing it up and I may not even understand it enough but I’m trying.
When the federal AWB sunset happened it opened up the door for the state of ma aka dimples to give further clarification and to be able to put her spin on it.
Now that still not be okay as one would she. To look at the original federal meaning and spirit of that statement but that’s how dimples feels justified in doing what she did. Again I may not understand it right so take with a grain of salt.

 

[PappyM3]

From my understanding, it lumps ammo and firearms dealers licenses into one license now. No online retailers are going to be able to procure a MA dealer's license.

But the transaction isn’t taking place in MA. So the seller doesn’t need a MA dealer license. There’s still no law preventing online ammo sales directly to MA residents.

The new law only applies to dealers in MA. But I don’t know of any MA dealers anyway who sold ammo online and shipped it.

 

[DJBrad]

Shops now thru 8/2…… @drgrant

nfsw




View: https://youtu.be/KpERIt_RTkI?si=goyrjhEvkwf7UfYD

 

[Grendizer138]

My advice to people in my store is: don't beat up your wife (or spouse/partner), don't drive intoxicated or excessively over a speed limit, and keep your firearms in your safe, and you will avoid 99% of the scenarios where any law enforcement officer has a reason to look into what firearms you own.

That’s great news for like 49,500 of us! Bad news for the 500 that make up the 1% though.

I can’t blame anyone for sweating.

 

[not new guy]

I bet target sports would find it worthwhile to open a MA branch and get a license.

 

[chris_1001]

I bet target sports would find it worthwhile to open a MA NH branch and get a license.

FIFY

 

[PappyM3]

I bet target sports would find it worthwhile to open a MA branch and get a license.

Why?

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

But the transaction isn’t taking place in MA. So the seller doesn’t need a MA dealer license. There’s still no law preventing online ammo sales directly to MA residents.

The new law only applies to dealers in MA. But I don’t know of any MA dealers anyway who sold ammo online and shipped it.

Well that’s huge atleast literally a single life line in this Jigsaw death contraption of a bill

 

[DJBrad]

@alx had posted that TS is evaluating this new law and how they will handle this going forward. Still an unknown at this point but damn they must make some proper revenue off Ma buyers.

 

[pastera]

I get it. I have not posted many to this thread. I have read all even from before they were combined. I have read the new language but its not easy to wrap my brain around. Im not looking for an explanation to this law as I believe it is nonsensical.

The question was an interpretation of copy or duplicate. That is from the 1994 federal law and thus the Mass law before 2016. It would help in a small way to make a little sense of things. I figured some soul could explain that but i guess not. Oh well. Not gonna lose sleep over it.

I do appreciate your insight into this, our fight. There are some who question every question as non-dedication, panic and treachery. Sometimes it’s just a question……. for knowledge.

Copies and duplicates were not defined in the federal AWB - however case law limited the interpretation to the enumerated manufacturer changing a model number but leaving the firearm substantially the same as a copy or duplicate. This allowed the compliant versions to be sold by other manufacturers since they weren't enumerated nor did they fail the featured tests.

Healy's declaration tossed 22 years of case law out the window by saying all of that was wrong and copies or duplicates referred to similar versions made by other manufacturers also AND that there was no cure for being an AW by deleting features.

So from 2016 until today there was an assertion from the state that all post 94 AR platform rifles (and any enumerated firearm in general) was an AW. However that assertion was never used as a primary charge in order to avoid giving standing to fight the declaration in court.

On short there is no mass law before/after 2016 - the is now post 7/25/2024 but 2016 had no real legal impact even of it did cause massive shift in how a lot of FFLs operate.

 

[Jenska22]

I thought I had seen a reference that only 07's (not individuals) could 'manufacture' firearms, but section 129 outlines the process as if we can still do 80%'s but need to get the serial number before even starting. Was that removed or did I imagine it . If thats the case, how does one describe a single frame that supports multiple calibers? Having never done that, can one just say multi-caliber? What happens if the frame is non-functional, just reuse the serial number for the first one that works? I have the final pdf, and did the obvious searches, but maybe this is logic (seriously missing) rather than verbosity (of which there is plenty).

Not sure if its recent, but Bear Creek and Davidson are not shipping any FFL items to the PRM.