The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[LuvDog]

The current system doesn’t say what you have. It says what had been transacted to you. But stuff you’ve sold off isn’t updated.

So just because there is an FA10 for something That doesn’t you still have it.

 

[DJBrad]

"But will I be allowed to sell a magazine?!?!?!"

Thank you for the 10 rounders sir.

 

[xero2099]

To be fair, I don't think any of those other states had a transaction system like MA does?

I suspect people here are not going to want to register, but they might feel sketchy about registering nothing when the state knows damn well what they have already. I would understand someone who complied because of that; they feel they already have registered, and in a way? They have. The state has them by the balls.

What I don't understand are posters saying things like, "I have this old gun from my grandpa that's not EFA-10'd. Where do I register it????" Well, shithead, you don't register it.

they already know what you have remember when the state doxxed us?

 

[pastera]

The current system doesn’t say what you have. It says what had been transacted to you. But stuff you’ve sold off isn’t updated.

So just because there is an FA10 for something That doesn’t you still have it.

But it is trivial to write a query that pops out a list showing only the entries linked to you that have no later entry to another person - that would get rid of a large percentage of false entries on people's lists.

But none of that matters since it's the gum owner that will be criminally liable for the errors.

 

[vicorjh]

The way I see it going down: “ Attn firearms license holder, our records indicate that firearms attached to your name have not been registered in the new state registration portal. Failure to register these firearms will result in the suspension and forfeiture of your LTC. This is your only notification on this matter…….blah blah penalty of law blah blah blah..

Standing granted.

 

[LuvDog]

But it is trivial to write a query that pops out a list showing only the entries linked to you that have no later entry to another person - that would get rid of a large percentage of false entries on people's lists.

But none of that matters since it's the gum owner that will be criminally liable for the errors.

If someone bought a gun here and there was an FA10 on it, but then sold it out of state via an out of state FFL there wouldn’t be any entry to another person. So you could have sold every gun you ever bought out of state and MA would never know what you still have or don’t have

 

[Nightshift]

I’ve asked questions that sound like I’m trying to comply but I’m really just trying to understand the degree of my current noncompliance. I assume others are doing the same. Everyone should be trying to understand what specifically they have that’s illegal under this (as futile as that may be) so that they can make informed decisions going forward. Maybe they put a lower on the books. Maybe they change their carry gun. Maybe they now have house guns (similar to house cats). Information is critical where significant felonies are concerned.

Yeah, me too. Just interested in an understanding. But here you got people pant shitting over perceived pant shitting.

I see newbies being told that there are lots of helpful people here. And there are. But there are lots of keyboard bullies here also.

Too bad........

 

[Grendizer138]

Yeah - I'm a little salty from the immediate move to hawk Tuah the state through immediate compliance by half the a**h***s around here.

I will make a good faith effort to comply with all reasonable laws. And I’m definitely an a**h***.

 

[slugworth]

View: https://youtu.be/usTt5bz_LhY?si=UmvwHsfB_amFtjEQ

 

[Picton]

If someone bought a gun here and there was an FA10 on it, but then sold it out of state via an out of state FFL there wouldn’t be any entry to another person. So you could have sold every gun you ever bought out of state and MA would never know what you still have or don’t have

True, but they'd know you had something. Probably several somethings. So when you register nothing, that's going to ring alarm bells. And a letter such as the one @Gasgunner suggests above, with no carrot at all but with the stick of revoking your LTC?

That would bully most of us into compliance, I suspect. Like I said, they have us by the balls. I assumed the EFA-10 system was a defacto registry from the start, and the current situation shows us how that's true.

 

[alan226]

Make sure you lock up those lowers now that they are considered guns....

 

[BigAce74]

Apologies if this was already posted.

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-signs-gun-safety-legislation-cracking-down-on-ghost-guns-strengthening-violence-prevention

 

[GL2020]

Correct. Unfortunately, this is MA and the police will use a past section 12 against an applicant even though it not a statutory DQ. The state loves to talk the talk about the stigma of mental illness but doesn’t walk the walk. A medical Dx isn’t a reason to take someone’s rights away.

There is an exemption in the new law for evaluations and voluntary stays. It specifically says that

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Apologies if this was already posted.

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-signs-gun-safety-legislation-cracking-down-on-ghost-guns-strengthening-violence-prevention

Another one to remember:

Chief Michael J. Bradley, Jr., Executive Director, Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association:

“The MCOPA leadership has voted to support H4885, also known as "An Act modernizing firearm laws.” We extend our appreciation to Speaker Mariano, Senate President Spilka, and Governor Healey for their continued efforts to work with our Association toward a compromise on gun reform and their shared focus on enhancing safety in the Commonwealth. We are committed to working closely with the Administration to address any challenges that may arise to ensure that the law's provisions are effectively put into practice.”

 

[JJC]

I heard a decent idea today from "someone". Since LEOs abandoned us as soon as they were exempt, we support eradication of qualified immunity. As long as LEOs support this law and agree to enforce it. We put money into removing qualified immunity for LEOs. Sell to LEOs. But if you want their attention, support the removal of qualified immunity. I have friends that are LEOs and qualified immunity is essential. I think they deserve it. I also think that their support would have made all the difference for this bill. If my rights are infringed, then so should they feel it.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

The way I see it going down: “ Attn firearms license holder, our records indicate that firearms attached to your name have not been registered in the new state registration portal. Failure to register these firearms will result in the suspension and forfeiture of your LTC. This is your only notification on this matter…….blah blah penalty of law blah blah blah..

anyone can contact the FRB and get a list of what gun transactions they have on you. I did that so I could see what they have. I got 5 or 6 pages of a printout of all transactions. Most I still have, some I have sold and have the FA10's, also some are missing (good). But the fact is they know you should be registering something or be able to show where they went (don't think boating accident will fly). I have heard they may move the FRB list over to the new registration portal, that would save time and effort.
But due to the FA10's and eFA10's most people are screwed as there is already a record with the state on what you may have. If you don't list anything I would think you could get a call or a letter for you to explain why you didn't register anything. States that didn't or don't have "transfer registration" have lower compliance, here it is a bit tougher to avoid.

 

[not new guy]

Another one to remember:

Chief Michael J. Bradley, Jr., Executive Director, Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association:

“The MCOPA leadership has voted to support H4885, also known as "An Act modernizing firearm laws.” We extend our appreciation to Speaker Mariano, Senate President Spilka, and Governor Healey for their continued efforts to work with our Association toward a compromise on gun reform and their shared focus on enhancing safety in the Commonwealth. We are committed to working closely with the Administration to address any challenges that may arise to ensure that the law's provisions are effectively put into practice.”

Each one of them a traitor.

 

[JJC]

Another one to remember:

Chief Michael J. Bradley, Jr., Executive Director, Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association:

“The MCOPA leadership has voted to support H4885, also known as "An Act modernizing firearm laws.” We extend our appreciation to Speaker Mariano, Senate President Spilka, and Governor Healey for their continued efforts to work with our Association toward a compromise on gun reform and their shared focus on enhancing safety in the Commonwealth. We are committed to working closely with the Administration to address any challenges that may arise to ensure that the law's provisions are effectively put into practice.”

See my comment below.

 

[VTski4x4]

Another one to remember:

Chief Michael J. Bradley, Jr., Executive Director, Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association:

“The MCOPA leadership has voted to support H4885, also known as "An Act modernizing firearm laws.” We extend our appreciation to Speaker Mariano, Senate President Spilka, and Governor Healey for their continued efforts to work with our Association toward a compromise on gun reform and their shared focus on enhancing safety in the Commonwealth. We are committed to working closely with the Administration to address any challenges that may arise to ensure that the law's provisions are effectively put into practice.”

They're too stupid to realize that this law f***s them out of procuring firearms for themselves. They'll learn though. Too bad. So sad. Yawn.

 

[EJFudd]

Damn, everyone’s rushing to comply just as fast as they signed up for the covid vax.

Rushing to comply? All I see is mobs of MA gun owners buying up everything in sight because soon it will no longer be possible to legally buy anything except handguns listed on the Approved Roster. Is that what you mean by complying?

 

[Picton]

Rushing to comply? All I see is mobs of MA gun owners buying up everything in sight because soon it will no longer be possible to legally buy anything except handguns listed on the Approved Roster. Is that what you mean by complying?

They're rushing because if they don't rush, they're afraid they'll be tagged as putting something into EFA10 after 01 AUG. In other words, the rush to get the guns purchased this week is a rush to comply. If sales don't fall off a cliff starting on 02AUG, well, then those are people who aren't rushing to comply.

Everyone wants that sweet, sweet grandfathering. That indicates that they're obeying this law. The noncompliant ones? They're not buying right now. They're already figuring out ways to circumvent the law.

...hypothetically.

 

[Tallahassee]

They're rushing because if they don't rush, they're afraid they'll be tagged as putting something into EFA10 after 01 AUG. In other words, the rush to get the guns purchased this week is a rush to comply. If sales don't fall off a cliff starting on 02AUG, well, then those are people who aren't rushing to comply.

Everyone wants that sweet, sweet grandfathering. That indicates that they're obeying this law. The noncompliant ones? They're not buying right now. They're already figuring out ways to circumvent the law.

...hypothetically.

People can piss right off with grandfathering.

 

[Laderbuilt]

To be fair, I don't think any of those other states had a transaction system like MA does?

I suspect people here are not going to want to register, but they might feel sketchy about registering nothing when the state knows damn well what they have already. I would understand someone who complied because of that; they feel they already have registered, and in a way? They have. The state has them by the balls.

What I don't understand are posters saying things like, "I have this old gun from my grandpa that's not EFA-10'd. Where do I register it????" Well, shithead, you don't register it.

You hit the nail on the head. .gov knows every gun I’ve purchased. I’ve heard the reports from folks on here talking about seeing their own list.
Albeit they say they weren’t accurate but it’s a hell of a start for .gov.
Hey Mr so and so. We have you listed as owning an sig pistol, however that doesn’t show on your official registration record.
Here’s our warrant to
Search and destroy your property looking for it unless
You can show proof of sale out of state.

What I want is what the state says/ thinks I have

 

[pastera]

I will make a good faith effort to comply with all reasonable laws. And I’m definitely an a**h***.

Not a damn iota of reasonable in this mess

 

[pastera]

If someone bought a gun here and there was an FA10 on it, but then sold it out of state via an out of state FFL there wouldn’t be any entry to another person. So you could have sold every gun you ever bought out of state and MA would never know what you still have or don’t have

Correct
That's not their problem, it's yours
And you get to pay them to make it your problem.

Another easy fix is to add a way to attest to an out of state disposition.

 

[CrackPot]

The current system doesn’t say what you have. It says what had been transacted to you. But stuff you’ve sold off isn’t updated.

So just because there is an FA10 for something That doesn’t you still have it.

FRB FA-10 Database

We have a lot of posts where people talk about the database. Such and such a gun is in my name, how do I get rid of it? Such and such a gun was not FA10'd, can I sell it or do I have to register it first? And so it goes on and on. The database is a write only record of transactions When an...

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[JDL]

To be fair, I don't think any of those other states had a transaction system like MA does
Haven't most of us already complied through th FA10 and EFA 10 system over the years just following the Massachusetts transaction rules. No one has to regester anything in the new system when it comes into existienst for the state to show a large percent of compliance. Most everything has already been registered. The state well be able to show great compliance numbers.

I suspect people here are not going to want to register, but they might feel sketchy about registering nothing when the state knows damn well what they have already. I would understand someone who complied because of that; they feel they already have registered, and in a way? They have. The state has them by the balls.

What I don't understand are posters saying things like, "I have this old gun from my grandpa that's not EFA-10'd. Where do I register it????" Well, shithead, you don't register it.

 

[pastera]

Yeah, me too. Just interested in an understanding. But here you got people pant shitting over perceived pant shitting.

I see newbies being told that there are lots of helpful people here. And there are. But there are lots of keyboard bullies here also.

Too bad........

Many of us have been hashing this thing out for over a year
Myself and others have published how the previous bills would look when integrated into the current law with detailed commentary on what somenof the legalize means.
Those same same contributors have had lengthy arguments over the ambiguous parts with detailed information supporting each of our positions to include linking pertinent case law.

And interspersed with that is a bunch of people looking to see how they could avoid personal consequences from the changes without having to read the bill of the hundreds of posts where their questions were answered in detail.
Some of us are burnt out so you are likely to get some salty replies

If there is a legitimate question that isn't phrased as a "I'm not going to read 100 pages so can you tell me...", I'm very likely to answer with cites from the law and commentary from case law supporting my position.
I'm not into just giving an answer - I'd rather present the information on how to find the answers yourself in the future.

 

[Foudre]

I heard a decent idea today from "someone". Since LEOs abandoned us as soon as they were exempt, we support eradication of qualified immunity. As long as LEOs support this law and agree to enforce it. We put money into removing qualified immunity for LEOs. Sell to LEOs. But if you want their attention, support the removal of qualified immunity. I have friends that are LEOs and qualified immunity is essential. I think they deserve it. I also think that their support would have made all the difference for this bill. If my rights are infringed, then so should they feel it.

No more police unions too.

 

[Biglou82]

How about doing whatever you want and not getting caught?

There is not any realistic situation where they are going to come and inspect anything, they don't have the recourses for that bullshit.

The amount of NEW AR's that are hitting the homes of Mass residents is probably 100x the amount during the covid panic buying.

Dont get a domestic, don't get caught driving dirty with it in your vehicle and be aware of your surroundings at the range and your probably 99.9% fine.

+100