alan226
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I had a hard time finding this thread again. Might be better in the "General" thread like the others that got merged or locked
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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Jenska22
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Anyon
wouldn't it be better to EFA10 them now, so what ever we build out is grandfathered? Or am I missing something about 80% and the updated AWB?
Night_solstice
NES Member
Townsend. They've always been great with my application and renewal (also when I forgot one renewal until the literal last moment).
It’s about Massachusetts law, which is why I moved it to the Massachusetts Laws forum.
CrackPot
NES Member
Unfortunate.
JDL
NES Member
I live in Wilbraham and they are very green. When I renewed a while back I dropped my applications for my LTC and my machine gun licence. I got a call the next day letting me know that my applications were processed and an email sent to me with my recept. The licensing also told me I transcribed one of the numbers on my machine gun licence application and that he looked up the correct information and fixed it for.me. this is how green the town is. I think they just don't know what to do and there is no guidance from the state. I think they don't want to mess anyone up or put the spotlight on them.
Please let me know what happens Tuesday.
Please let me know what happens Tuesday.
CrackPot
NES Member
The thread about possessing and purchasing that you merged into this one. So instead of a nice clear description we get lost in the morass of childish “what about me?” Posts. Oh well. I tried.
Yep, which means campus police at universities are the same as rest of us, no more special treatment.
Tallahassee
NES Member
Appreciate your effort, thank you.
slipknot
NES Member
thanks for the effort
like he said, it merged in this thread
, on page 80(depending on your settings) it began post #2374
JDL
NES Member
No one knows at this time. Contact FRB and ask. Please let us know what the outcome was.
They may not even have an answer.
scott-o
NES Member
If one were to purchase on 31st but get a delay, what is the actual date of purchase 31 or day that the check clears?
JDL
NES Member
I'm not sure how the non-resadent licenses will be handled. It really dosent say what and if current non-resadent licenses will be honored untill they expire or they become void after 8/1/2024 of they can be renewed. As far as the new law there will be no non-ressdent permits unless you meet the new qualifiers and not many will be able to meet those.
Yes, that is the thread I was referring to that I couldn’t find anymore, guess it is buried here now lol
JDL
NES Member
This is the new wording for non_resadent licenses.
Nonresident licenses will only be issued for purposes of
A firearm competition.o A nonresident who is in the employ of a bank, public utility corporation, or a firm engaged in the business of transferring monies, or business of a similar nature.o A firm licensed as a private detective whose application is endorsed by an employer.o A nonresident who is a member of the armed services and is stationed within theterritorial boundaries of the commonwealth and has the written consent of their commanding officer.• Nonresident law enforcement prohibited from possessing “assault style firearms”.• A nonresident at least 18 years and can only possess common long guns and ammunition if the nonresident has a permit or license issued from their state of residence. That license must meet requirements of a Massachusetts license with the following exemptions.o to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131;o while on a firing or shooting rangeo while traveling in or through the commonwealth, provided that they are unloaded and secured in a locked container in accordance with sections 126B and 126Co while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association. • Nonresident Junior shooters/hunters under 18 cannot possess a pistol or revolver for any purpose.• Nonresidents traveling in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of hunting, they also have on their person a hunting or sporting license issued by the commonwealth or by their destination state. • A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth, provided, however, that the firearm may not leave the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it must meet safe storage requirements
JDL
NES Member
I will post this again and hopefully it will answer most of the questions on applying for a new LTC and renewals. It has been pointed out to me that I missed putting in a colon on one of my previous posts and may have confused some of you.
New applicants are required to complete the new training that has not been developed yet how will be they able to apply for an LTC? It looks as though the LTC process for new LTC's would have to be suspended untill the new training is developed and put in place. It dosent seem to have any provesion to do business as usual untill the new training is developed and put in place. I have bold lettered the section in the bills text that states 1575 No application for the issuance of a firearm identification card or license to carry shall be accepted1576 or processed by the licensing authority without such certificate attached thereto; provided. They are refering to a certificate that dosent exest yet and can't untill the new training is developed and implemented.
From GOAL
Key Points to Note:
Injury prevention.o Suicide prevention.o Disengagement tactics.o Live fire.o Completion of a written exam.• The colonel shall create a written examination and establish minimum requirements to pass.• It appears that the state will send the certificate to successful students.• Licensing authority must confirm with the state that a certificate has been issued prior to processing a license application
Acctual Text from the bill:
Persons lawfully1570 possessing a firearm identification card or license to carry firearms on August 1, 2024, shall be1571 exempt from this section upon expiration of such card or license and when applying for renewal1572 of such licensure as required under this chapter; provided, however, that persons possessing a1573 firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the implementation of live1574 firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement. No1575 application for the issuance of a firearm identification card or license to carry shall be accepted1576 or processed by the licensing authority without such certificate attached thereto; provided,1577 however, that this section shall not apply to: (i) any officer, agent or employee of the1578 commonwealth or any state of the United States; (ii) any member of the military or other service1579 of any state or of the United States; or (iii) any duly authorized law enforcement officer, agent or1580 employee of any municipality of the commonwealth; provided, however, that any such person1581 described in clauses (i) to (iii), inclusive, shall be authorized by a competent authority to carry or1582 possess the firearm so carried or possessed and shall be acting within the scope of their duties.
New applicants are required to complete the new training that has not been developed yet how will be they able to apply for an LTC? It looks as though the LTC process for new LTC's would have to be suspended untill the new training is developed and put in place. It dosent seem to have any provesion to do business as usual untill the new training is developed and put in place. I have bold lettered the section in the bills text that states 1575 No application for the issuance of a firearm identification card or license to carry shall be accepted1576 or processed by the licensing authority without such certificate attached thereto; provided. They are refering to a certificate that dosent exest yet and can't untill the new training is developed and implemented.
From GOAL
Key Points to Note:
- Training Grandfathering: Any license issued on or before August 1, 2024, along with all renewals, will be grandfathered under the current training requirements.
- New Applicant Requirements: Only new applicants will need to complete disengagement training and live fire training, along with other new requirements.
- New Training Curriculum: The colonel of the state police, in consultation with the municipal police training committee, will create a new training curriculum that must include:
- Injury prevention
- Suicide prevention
- Disengagement tactics
- Live fire exercises
- Completion of a written exam
Injury prevention.o Suicide prevention.o Disengagement tactics.o Live fire.o Completion of a written exam.• The colonel shall create a written examination and establish minimum requirements to pass.• It appears that the state will send the certificate to successful students.• Licensing authority must confirm with the state that a certificate has been issued prior to processing a license applicationAcctual Text from the bill:
Persons lawfully1570 possessing a firearm identification card or license to carry firearms on August 1, 2024, shall be1571 exempt from this section upon expiration of such card or license and when applying for renewal1572 of such licensure as required under this chapter; provided, however, that persons possessing a1573 firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the implementation of live1574 firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement. No1575 application for the issuance of a firearm identification card or license to carry shall be accepted1576 or processed by the licensing authority without such certificate attached thereto; provided,1577 however, that this section shall not apply to: (i) any officer, agent or employee of the1578 commonwealth or any state of the United States; (ii) any member of the military or other service1579 of any state or of the United States; or (iii) any duly authorized law enforcement officer, agent or1580 employee of any municipality of the commonwealth; provided, however, that any such person1581 described in clauses (i) to (iii), inclusive, shall be authorized by a competent authority to carry or1582 possess the firearm so carried or possessed and shall be acting within the scope of their duties.
Tartakovsky
NES Member
You people that accept this bullshit because your stuff is grandfathered and otherwise don’t care, only care about yourselves, disgust me. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
This is the new wording for non_resadent licenses.
Nonresident licenses will only be issued for purposes of
Where does it say that? What section of the bill? Line number?
I can't find it anywhere.
The new 131P(a) language explicitly exempts anyone from the new requirements:
'course, it doesn't say what happens if they promulgate "live firearms trainings" before all the other requirements.
And it kinda reads like the basic firearms safety certificate requirement doesn't even exist before the implementation of "live firearms trainings" I'm pretty sure we know that's not the case in application, but that's what the law actually says.
CatSnoutSoup
NES Member
My guess is 2 years is very optimistic for any system the state will depoly. Hell they are still working the bugs out of the web service they began transitioning to in 2016.
Also in that timeline your point about a precursor to implementation being the assumption “it’s funded,” is an important one. I have not seen details anywhere of how the registration portal, serial number request sytem, or State Police training regime are funded. And while we are at it where are the stipends for the addtional FRB members coming from, and who is paying for the time spent on developing a long gun roster?
JDL
NES Member
Yes I think what they are trying to say is if you already have an LTC or FID you are exempt t
from the new training. However it then goes to say no new applications after 8/1/2024. It just goes back to if you have an LTC or FID prior to 8/1/2024 you are OK if not you must wait for the new training certificate that you can only get with the new training. This thing is so screwed up.
Why? You’ve made a mess.
Section 153 of H.4885 seems to indicate that FID holders who own semi-auto and non-large capacity handguns can keep them legally until license renewal. At which point they'd be damn fools to not get an LTC. And there's no reason not to apply for an LTC immediately.
Ha!
If the state were any good at this at all, you'd be right.
But deploying something that is complete garbage and doesn't work and has massive security holes just so they can say, "the system is in place, you must use it" wouldn't surprise me even a little bit.
JDL
NES Member
I don't read it that way, but maybe you are correct. Section 1575 and 1576. There is no explanation or guidance of what they are trying to say and it is very nebulous how this entire license section is written. I guess we will just have to see if licensing will be shut down on 8/1/2024 for new applications.
Well I'm going to need to find it in the law, after all it's important to be sure of the details when you're thinking of making yourself a test case. I'll have to wait out the 90 days, and maybe longer if there is a stay on the law taking affect.This is the new wording for non_resadent licenses.
Nonresident licenses will only be issued for purposes of
