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This is from the GOAL Faq page on the new bill. Their stance seems to be that stripped lowers not yet built need to be registered by 8/1, which seems contrary to what’s being discussed here.
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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This is from the GOAL Faq page on the new bill. Their stance seems to be that stripped lowers not yet built need to be registered by 8/1, which seems contrary to what’s being discussed here.
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
No, the new law allows non-residents to actually carry on their person, in their car, as long as it doesn’t leave the car. If they have to leave the car, then it needs to be secured in accordance with section 131C. FOPA doesn’t allow carrying on ones person like that. One of the most amazing...www.northeastshooters.com
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Which ones already stopped shipping to MA?
There is NO registration.
How do you register something that is not currently a gun?
How do you register something when there isn't a registration portal?
Should I register every block of metal at HD?
Crackpot's post covers what needs to be done in good detail.
Jenska22
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thank you for this, it does seem contrary to the popular discussion and seems to advocate efa for them now
Could be because that is the only way to prove they were in possession on or before 8/1.
Where a regular lower has a serial and a 4473 that proves when it was sold.
Rocky Mosasaurus
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And that post of Crackpots was very helpful but was merged here from its own thread and amalgamated into this steaming stew of horseshit. If anyone wants it, please message me and I’ll send you the exact copy and pasted message.
Jenska22
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Davidson and Bear Creek are both not shipping some (FFL definitely) items to Mass
BroncoAZ
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BCM comes to mind.
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Jenska22
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Right now you make your own s/n's, so anything goes, even if the lower isn't engraved yet; there's no timestamp or dating for that. Other than that, pick a caliber that (or any) that you're likely to build, if you do create, if not its only a wasted s/n.
Besides, how do you 'register' anything yet?
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Can we just register blocks of metal in their theoretical registration system? What does it need, a serial number or something? Does the new law describe engraving/marking standards or is writing it on in pencil or sharpie or something enough?
BroncoAZ
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The Goal page is suggesting that 7/20/2016 has the force of law, which would suggest none of the copies/duplicates sold in the past 8 years can ever be legal. Nobody else seems to be interpreting it this way. I moved in to MA in 2020, Goal was telling me registration wasn’t required and I could bring in whatever as long as it was complianced for feature count. Not pantsshitting, but trying to figure out how to be compliant if that’s even possible. Registration is an option on the portal, so it seems very feasible to register if one chooses to rather than waiting for a new system in 2025-2026.
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from 4885
"permanently embedded to a depth of not less than .003 inches and in a print size not less than 1/16 inch; and provided further, that serialization of firearms, frames and receivers made from non-metallic materials shall be accomplished by using a metal plate permanently embedded in the material of the frame or receiver"
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Was on vacation and I'm back and trying to get caught up on the latest verbiage on Goal's site. On Goal's summary, page 6 in Frames/Receivers section I feel like there's contradicting info there or maybe it's just my brain still on vacation mode????
Let's say a person has some AR-15 and AR-10 receivers they never built out (purchased post 2016 from a Mass FFL). My gut is saying if person has receivers not registered yet due to not being built out, person needs to register them before August 1st if person wants to have the option of selling them in the future within Mass?
- All frames and/or receivers (unfinished or otherwise) that could be considered a copy or duplicate of an enumerated Assault Weapon must have been lawfully possessed and registered in Massachusetts on or before July 19, 2016.
- Private builds for any firearm that would fall under the new semi-automatic Assault Style Firearm definitions are prohibited after August 1, 2024
Let's say a person has some AR-15 and AR-10 receivers they never built out (purchased post 2016 from a Mass FFL). My gut is saying if person has receivers not registered yet due to not being built out, person needs to register them before August 1st if person wants to have the option of selling them in the future within Mass?
Yes not sure why merged. Was helpful to have that other thread.
scott-o
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I'd presume that this is in reference to the feasible transferability via FFL in state. The only source of truth of the transfer date of a raw lower is the 4473 which is held at the FFL. In the future, I doubt many shops would take a stray without papers, depending on the implementation and searchability of the Crown's new database features. But, what do I know.
Here:
Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing
Pardon the new thread. The main thread is cluttered and putting this in one clean post as a summary I am hoping is helpful. I don’t believe in Healey and I think GOAL has its head up it’s ass on a number of issues and this reflects that Practical implications of H4885 for purchasing and...
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Thought experiment:
131M(b) says any rifle that was legal on 8/1/24 is exempt from 131M(a) (ban on possession).
There's nothing in the legislation that says it has to comply with the new "Assault-style firearm" definition, because it's exempt from the ban by 131M(b)
So there's nothing preventing me from stripping down my pre-7/20 rifle - which is exempt from 131M(a) by 131M(b) - and rebuilding it with a telescoping stock and flash hider with unpinned threads.
(other than the courts and DAs and prosecutors not knowing the law and jamming me up anyway)
131M(b) says any rifle that was legal on 8/1/24 is exempt from 131M(a) (ban on possession).
There's nothing in the legislation that says it has to comply with the new "Assault-style firearm" definition, because it's exempt from the ban by 131M(b)
So there's nothing preventing me from stripping down my pre-7/20 rifle - which is exempt from 131M(a) by 131M(b) - and rebuilding it with a telescoping stock and flash hider with unpinned threads.
(other than the courts and DAs and prosecutors not knowing the law and jamming me up anyway)
Lowbird
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I think the better term for this has always been Mass prudence. Just live your life with whatever level of fear from the state you choose.
This potentially could take an infinitesimal amount of concern off the scale.
pastera
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The caucus summary the state released clearly indicates ASW must be legally owned and registered as of the effective date.
There is text in the bill reflecting this
GOAL's lawyers reflect this interpretation
Guida reflects this interpretation
But a single dealer's opinion overrides all of that because that's what people want to hear.
The issue is not clear so it's going to take lawsuits to get clarification then action.
The new appointed committee whi will be in charge of the roster.
Yes, and it could also possibly land your sorry ass in prison for who knows how many years, when you become the subject of some investigation or raid that has nothing to do with guns, but they become the evidentiary byproduct of some disconnected fishing expedition of the police.
Get out from under the sword at any cost.
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LOL, says the guy who worked for municipal government in MA to retirement age before leaving.
The dealer post indicates how proof of ownership can be established.
I don't accept it at all, because I know it is one step closer to confiscation and lock out of 2A for all of us. There is going to be weak people who back down when they know they are not going to get as screwed as others and that represents the lack of solidarity in the 2A community in Massachusetts. This needs to change.
