The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[JDL]

Well I'm going to need to find it in the law, after all it's important to be sure of the details when you're thinking of making yourself a test case. I'll have to wait out the 90 days, and maybe longer if there is a stay on the law taking affect.
What I posted is cut a pasted from the bill

when I get an oppertunity I will send you the section and page number so you can see it for yourself so you can be sure.

 

[headednorth]

So no non-res ltc for the average Joe?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

This is the new wording for non_resadent licenses.
Nonresident licenses will only be issued for purposes of A firearm competition.o A nonresident who is in the employ of a bank, public utility corporation, or a firm engaged in the business of transferring monies, or business of a similar nature.o A firm licensed as a private detective whose application is endorsed by an employer.o A nonresident who is a member of the armed services and is stationed within theterritorial boundaries of the commonwealth and has the written consent of their commanding officer.• Nonresident law enforcement prohibited from possessing “assault style firearms”.• A nonresident at least 18 years and can only possess common long guns and ammunition if the nonresident has a permit or license issued from their state of residence. That license must meet requirements of a Massachusetts license with the following exemptions.o to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131;o while on a firing or shooting rangeo while traveling in or through the commonwealth, provided that they are unloaded and secured in a locked container in accordance with sections 126B and 126Co while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association. • Nonresident Junior shooters/hunters under 18 cannot possess a pistol or revolver for any purpose.• Nonresidents traveling in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of hunting, they also have on their person a hunting or sporting license issued by the commonwealth or by their destination state. • A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth, provided, however, that the firearm may not leave the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it must meet safe storage requirements

No way is this passing a constitutional challenge and also, this is why we need reciprocity. BS like this.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Wow. This bill this the “gift that keeps giving” Awful.

 

[PappyM3]

You people that accept this bullshit because your stuff is grandfathered and otherwise don’t care, only care about yourselves, disgust me. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

Just because people are trying to understand the implications of the bill and are planning ways to obtain more prebans, doesn’t mean they only care about themselves or that they’re accepting of the bill.

The bill is reality, whether we accept it or not. There was time to fight it in the legislature. That time has passed. There will be time to fight it in the judiciary. That time is coming. The time right now is to fight it by flooding MA with as many assaulty guns as possible.

When Californians flooded their state with magazines during freedom week, was that selfish?

 

[pastera]

Same problem. The metadata relies on the camera's time and date, FWIW.

If the phone automatically uploads a copy to Google or Apple's cloud backup then reliable meta is created

 

[sbhaven]

This is the new wording for non_resadent licenses.
Nonresident licenses will only be issued for purposes of A firearm competition.o A nonresident who is in the employ of a bank, public utility corporation, or a firm engaged in the business of transferring monies, or business of a similar nature.o A firm licensed as a private detective whose application is endorsed by an employer.o A nonresident who is a member of the armed services and is stationed within theterritorial boundaries of the commonwealth and has the written consent of their commanding officer.• Nonresident law enforcement prohibited from possessing “assault style firearms”.• A nonresident at least 18 years and can only possess common long guns and ammunition if the nonresident has a permit or license issued from their state of residence. That license must meet requirements of a Massachusetts license with the following exemptions.o to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131;o while on a firing or shooting rangeo while traveling in or through the commonwealth, provided that they are unloaded and secured in a locked container in accordance with sections 126B and 126Co while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association. • Nonresident Junior shooters/hunters under 18 cannot possess a pistol or revolver for any purpose.• Nonresidents traveling in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of hunting, they also have on their person a hunting or sporting license issued by the commonwealth or by their destination state. • A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth, provided, however, that the firearm may not leave the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it must meet safe storage requirements

Not seeing that in the H4885.pdf. Where are you getting that nonresident licenses information from?

 

[dukeofsoul]

If one were to purchase on 31st but get a delay, what is the actual date of purchase 31 or day that the check clears?

That’s a good question. You can always call the store you were thinking of going to and see what they say.

 

[HARRYM]

Concerned, of course, surprised, of course not. For me I'll let COMM2A and GOAL digest the entire unconstitutional mess and then let them lay it all out there clearly.

Then we go from there.

 

[Beretta92FS]

The state went full retard. But as the saying goes, “never go full retard”.

 

[HARRYM]

"Grandfathering" is little more than Little Red Riding Hood crap. The MA Leftists have violated the second amendment and the fourth amendment in MA as a matter of routine.

"Grandfathering" is nothing more than inch by inch deception until there is nothing left to "grandfather"

 

[MGnoob]

I don't think long guns being roster mandated os a typo.... it's a quite intentional "f*** you" to gun owners. This entire bill is the result of petulant children throwing full meltdown temper tantrums because of Bruen etc.

That’s all it is after Bruen… it really just saying f*** you and give the finger to the Supreme Court. The problem is if they don’t take up the case then we’re just f***ed until somebody’s actually charged and wants to fight it.

It just gets all the way up to the top. They’re gonna tear it apart. Show me where in a historical sense. Any of this is legitimate.

 

[HARRYM]

The state went full retard. But as the saying goes, “never go full retard”.

Well, Leftists are retarded so they had a head start.

 

[MGnoob]

That’s a good question. You can always call the store you were thinking of going to and see what they say.

You can’t apply logic to any of this. It’s up to the FFL, but the date of purchases when you pay for it not when you receive it. It doesn’t matter anyway in theory you could buy one two weeks from now before the law is actually implemented you have to find an FFL that’s comfortable.

They’re not gonna come looking for them after the fact..

 

[Junior314]

I was going to ask, or maybe start a poll, who is going to register all their stuff as soon as they can. Don't think I need to: It's becoming pretty obvious.

 

[mothybee]

Yes I think what they are trying to say is if you already have an LTC or FID you are exempt t
from the new training. However it then goes to say no new applications after 8/1/2024. It just goes back to if you have an LTC or FID prior to 8/1/2024 you are OK if not you must wait for the new training certificate that you can only get with the new training. This thing is so screwed up.

I think it's kinda genius on their part. Never fund any of this so it never happens. They've outlawed all future gun owners , who you going to transfer or leave them to? Don't have to ban guns if you ban all future gun ownership.

 

[dukeofsoul]

Man, the classified section is going to look so sad after 8/1.

 

[BigAce74]

If one were to purchase on 31st but get a delay, what is the actual date of purchase 31 or day that the check clears?

I believe it's when the background check clears and they get a "proceed" because I think that becomes the date of actual sale. I was at a dealer last week and they were asking customers if they get delayed or not when buying because that day was going to be the last one for those who typically get delayed.

 

[John2006]

will long guns EFA-10’d prior to 8/1 be sellable instate? Think I read this somewhere but want to be positive…

 

[Picton]

will long guns EFA-10’d prior to 8/1 be sellable instate? Think I read this somewhere but want to be positive…

Anything is sellable if both parties shut up about it.

But yes. I believe those things will be sellable in state. The state doesn't ban FTF sales with this law, and to be honest I'm not 100% sure why.

 

[John2006]

Anything is sellable if both parties shut up about it.

But yes. I believe those things will be sellable in state. The state doesn't ban FTF sales with this law, and to be honest I'm not 100% sure why.

lol… legal FTF sales… Yeah, and I’m surprised they didn’t prohibit those either. Only make them inheritable given their sheer evil and overall killiness.

 

[milktree]

will long guns EFA-10’d prior to 8/1 be sellable instate? Think I read this somewhere but want to be positive…

Yes, until 10/23 (90 days from signing) nothing changes. But on 10/23 all the “Assault-style firearms” goes into effect as of 8/2. If it was ok on 8/1 it’s fine, otherwise it’s a felony.

 

[milktree]

If one were to purchase on 31st but get a delay, what is the actual date of purchase 31 or day that the check clears?

As long as you’re not delayed past 10/23 (90 days from signing) AND it’s not an “assault-style firearm”, you’re fine and the transfer can go through.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Where is that @CrackPot post that was merged into this sh*t?

I want to copy the text since my saved link doesn't work anymore.

 

[TLB]

I was planning on purchasing a newspaper on 8/1 and taking photographs with the newspaper and my LTC-A and the serial number of the needing to prove grandfathered items in the picture to prove possession on 8/1/2024. I moved in from out of state in 2020 and wasn’t required to register anything brought in when I initially moved, so unless I go enter them in the current portal I have no record of ownership in MA at a specific time. Good idea, bad idea?

The newspaper doesn't help you. The date taken on a digital photo is another matter.

 

[Jason Flare]

Where is that @CrackPot post that was merged into this sh*t?

I want to copy the text since my saved link doesn't work anymore.

I didn’t look but it’s supposed to be post 2374.

I made a note of it to show my son in law.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I didn’t look but it’s supposed to be post 2374.

I made a note of it to show my son in law.

That's it.

Thank you!

 

[milktree]

Where is that @CrackPot post that was merged into this sh*t?

I want to copy the text since my saved link doesn't work anymore.

The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

No, the new law allows non-residents to actually carry on their person, in their car, as long as it doesn’t leave the car. If they have to leave the car, then it needs to be secured in accordance with section 131C. FOPA doesn’t allow carrying on ones person like that. One of the most amazing...

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[Broc Tuah]

The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

No, the new law allows non-residents to actually carry on their person, in their car, as long as it doesn’t leave the car. If they have to leave the car, then it needs to be secured in accordance with section 131C. FOPA doesn’t allow carrying on ones person like that. One of the most amazing...

www.northeastshooters.com

Thank you!

 

[delgrifith]

The best ones are the gun parts. “Get it before Aug 1st!”

You can still buy as many gun parts online as you like.

True. Until companies just stop doing business with MA residents like some that already have.