The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Jenska22]

Let's say a person has some AR-15 and AR-10 receivers they never built out (purchased post 2016 from a Mass FFL). My gut is saying if person has receivers not registered yet due to not being built out, person needs to register them before August 1st if person wants to have the option of selling them in the future within Mass?

or even using them/transporting them legally

and does this mean they have to have the new rosters done within 11 months or so, so they can update them 3 times in the year?
"The secretary shall, not less than 3 times annually, review, update, and publish the rosters online,"

 

[CrackPot]

Was on vacation and I'm back and trying to get caught up on the latest verbiage on Goal's site. On Goal's summary, page 6 in Frames/Receivers section I feel like there's contradicting info there or maybe it's just my brain still on vacation mode????

1. All frames and/or receivers (unfinished or otherwise) that could be considered a copy or duplicate of an enumerated Assault Weapon must have been lawfully possessed and registered in Massachusetts on or before July 19, 2016.
2. Private builds for any firearm that would fall under the new semi-automatic Assault Style Firearm definitions are prohibited after August 1, 2024

Let's say a person has some AR-15 and AR-10 receivers they never built out (purchased post 2016 from a Mass FFL). My gut is saying if person has receivers not registered yet due to not being built out, person needs to register them before August 1st if person wants to have the option of selling them in the future within Mass?

Why do people keep talking about "registering" like its a thing. WE DO NOT FCKING HAVE REGISTRATION IN MA YET.

We have a database of transactions and these transactions PROVE nothing. They might raise reasonable doubt to what the state needs to prove, that you did NOT lawfully possess in the state on 8/1.

FRB FA-10 Database

We have a lot of posts where people talk about the database. Such and such a gun is in my name, how do I get rid of it? Such and such a gun was not FA10'd, can I sell it or do I have to register it first? And so it goes on and on. The database is a write only record of transactions When an...

www.northeastshooters.com

No, you do not need to "register" before 8/1. You have to lawfully possess ON 8/1. Period. Full stop. You also have to register in compliance with the NEW law 121B which is ACTUAL registration. That law only takes effect once the state implements a NEW IT system that supports registration. They have a year to do this. They have ZERO funding to do this. AND once the system is live and 121B takes effect, you have ANOTHER year to actually register what you own to be in compliance.

So just lawfully possess the lower or rifle on 8/1 and chill.

 

[MGnoob]

True. Until companies just stop doing business with MA residents like some that already have.

I’ve said it before if you place a large enough order, you be surprised how quickly that no shipment to MA policy changes

 

[MGnoob]

I just spoke with an FFL. I like his interpretation of it.

No one really knows. It’s impossible to interpret in the matter what you think it is once we start doing it they’re going to reinterpret it which they’re not even allowed to do. They’re only allowed to offer guidance. It’s up to the police who arrest you and the judge to convict you.

 

[BroncoAZ]

Why do people keep talking about "registering" like its a thing. WE DO NOT FCKING HAVE REGISTRATION IN MA YET.

We have a database of transactions and these transactions PROVE nothing. They might raise reasonable doubt to what the state needs to prove, that you did NOT lawfully possess in the state on 8/1.

FRB FA-10 Database

We have a lot of posts where people talk about the database. Such and such a gun is in my name, how do I get rid of it? Such and such a gun was not FA10'd, can I sell it or do I have to register it first? And so it goes on and on. The database is a write only record of transactions When an...

www.northeastshooters.com

No, you do not need to "register" before 8/1. You have to lawfully possess ON 8/1. Period. Full stop. You also have to register in compliance with the NEW law 121B which is ACTUAL registration. That law only takes effect once the state implements a NEW IT system that supports registration. They have a year to do this. They have ZERO funding to do this. AND once the system is live and 121B takes effect, you have ANOTHER year to actually register what you own to be in compliance.

So just lawfully possess the lower or rifle on 8/1 and chill.

You obviously have far more experience with this than I do, but to a layman this certainly looks like a registration portal.

 

[BillyBoy]

What confuses me is on the Mass portal there's a section for transferring and right below it is a section for "Registration". I've always been under the impression that you buy a receiver, build it out and once it's a fully functioning firearm, you're supposed to click that registration link and fill out the info.

Now if you don't build out the receiver, previously we weren't required to click that registration link on the portal.

 

[MGnoob]

I’m gonna start carrying my first gun a P220 equinox .45… it’s the only guy that I have more than 1 10 rounders for…
I have multiple set ups, but you could combine them all in the ones so I can carry 15 magazines not that I’m gonna do that.

My 45 and my 357. I’ll get it done.

You have to love these sigs I lost count, but my 45 has like 90,000 rounds through it and my 9 mm I lost count. I’d have to look at my last post. I think it’s like 160,000 rounds or more still goes bang no maintenance.

 

[Individualist]

Why do people keep talking about "registering" like its a thing. WE DO NOT FCKING HAVE REGISTRATION IN MA YET.

We have a database of transactions and these transactions PROVE nothing. They might raise reasonable doubt to what the state needs to prove, that you did NOT lawfully possess in the state on 8/1.

FRB FA-10 Database

We have a lot of posts where people talk about the database. Such and such a gun is in my name, how do I get rid of it? Such and such a gun was not FA10'd, can I sell it or do I have to register it first? And so it goes on and on. The database is a write only record of transactions When an...

www.northeastshooters.com

No, you do not need to "register" before 8/1. You have to lawfully possess ON 8/1. Period. Full stop. You also have to register in compliance with the NEW law 121B which is ACTUAL registration. That law only takes effect once the state implements a NEW IT system that supports registration. They have a year to do this. They have ZERO funding to do this. AND once the system is live and 121B takes effect, you have ANOTHER year to actually register what you own to be in compliance.

So just lawfully possess the lower or rifle on 8/1 and chill.

The MA portal does have a section for Registration, and it has another for Transfers. So they will claim that is the Registration system of record.

 

[not new guy]

The MA portal does have a section for Registration, and it has another for Transfers. So they will claim that is the Registration system of record.

You don’t need to register a lower though under the current law until it’s able to fire a shot, and then you have 7 days or whatever. If you own it now it’s legal without further action. That’s on top of the “effective date” issues he points out.

 

[milktree]

Why do people keep talking about "registering" like its a thing. WE DO NOT FCKING HAVE REGISTRATION IN MA YET.

We have a database of transactions and these transactions PROVE nothing. They might raise reasonable doubt to what the state needs to prove, that you did NOT lawfully possess in the state on 8/1.

FRB FA-10 Database

We have a lot of posts where people talk about the database. Such and such a gun is in my name, how do I get rid of it? Such and such a gun was not FA10'd, can I sell it or do I have to register it first? And so it goes on and on. The database is a write only record of transactions When an...

www.northeastshooters.com

No, you do not need to "register" before 8/1. You have to lawfully possess ON 8/1. Period. Full stop. You also have to register in compliance with the NEW law 121B which is ACTUAL registration. That law only takes effect once the state implements a NEW IT system that supports registration. They have a year to do this. They have ZERO funding to do this. AND once the system is live and 121B takes effect, you have ANOTHER year to actually register what you own to be in compliance.

So just lawfully possess the lower or rifle on 8/1 and chill.

An interesting unintended effect of H.4885 is that on 10/23 (90 days from signing when H.4885 goes into effect) the old §128A is replaced in its entirety. Between 10/23 and when the state actually releases the registration system, there's no requirement to report transactions or register at all. so, no FA10 after 10/23, because there will be zero mention of the "real time on-line web portal". The requirement is gone.

 

[chris_1001]

I do not wish....

 

[milktree]

You obviously have far more experience with this than I do, but to a layman this certainly looks like a registration portal.View attachment 903133

That is not the law. That is what some dipshit web "developer" put on a web page because through ignorance or malice. But it's not what the actual law actually says.

 

[silversquirrel]

I just spoke with an FFL. I like his interpretation of it.

No one really knows. It’s impossible to interpret in the matter what you think it is once we start doing it they’re going to reinterpret it which they’re not even allowed to do. They’re only allowed to offer guidance. It’s up to the police who arrest you and the judge to convict you.

Right. So hypothetical.
Traffic stop. Cop runs your plate and sees you have a LTC and sees your FRB list. Asks if you have any guns in the vehicle. You say yes, im on the way home from the range. You have your lawfully posessed pre 8/1/24 AR in the trunk. He asks to check it because no ASWs on your list.
Now what? He is anti gun and follows the opinion that no FA10 means unregistered. You get charged. LTC gets pulled.
Judge may or may not concur, but meanwhile all your $stuff is stolen by the state.

 

[milktree]

The MA portal does have a section for Registration, and it has another for Transfers. So they will claim that is the Registration system of record.

Yes, that's what they'll claim. (if it comes up). But it's not what the law has ever said.

 

[CrackPot]

You obviously have far more experience with this than I do, but to a layman this certainly looks like a registration portal.View attachment 903133

Let's play a game. You post pages from the state website and I will show you how it is contrary to MGL and the CMRs. This is the first one. We have no registration. We have obligations to record certain transactions.

Moving to the state if brought with you, you do not have to record any transaction as long as you apply for your FID/LTC within a specified time lime.

(3) above is false. There is NO requirement for the state to have a record of your gun.

MIRCS has handguns, rifles, shotguns and machine guns. HANDGUNS is not defined under MGL. We have "firearms" and they include AOWs, others, SBSs and SBRs to name a few non-rifles, shotguns and machine guns. So its just wrong.

The state summarized transport law as requiring you lock up handguns. FALSE.

The list is endless. What a bunch of state employees put on the web does not make it the law.

But the state does this all the time. They use wrong terms. They mis summarize laws. They then train you into thinking something is true that is not. Registration is FALSE. That is the actual law.

 

[milktree]

Right. So hypothetical.
Traffic stop. Cop runs your plate and sees you have a LTC and sees your FRB list. Asks if you have any guns in the vehicle. You say yes, im on the way home from the range. You have your lawfully posessed pre 8/1/24 AR in the trunk. He asks to check it because no ASWs on your list.
Now what? He is anti gun and follows the opinion that no FA10 means unregistered. You get charged. LTC gets pulled.
Judge may or may not concur, but meanwhile all your $stuff is stolen by the state.

Where's the probable cause? If all your shit is being transported according to the law, nobody can see it. How would he know what you have in the trunk?
Never consent to a search.

If a cop is going to steal your shit, they're going to steal your shit. The current and upcoming laws don't change that.

 

[Individualist]

Yes, that's what they'll claim. (if it comes up). But it's not what the law has ever said.

Right?! But since when does the law ever matter since they will interpret it any way that suites their game. Don’t like it… sue. Meanwhile, no license, no guns, and you’ll go broke fighting it.

 

[MGnoob]

Right. So hypothetical.
Traffic stop. Cop runs your plate and sees you have a LTC and sees your FRB list. Asks if you have any guns in the vehicle. You say yes, im on the way home from the range. You have your lawfully posessed pre 8/1/24 AR in the trunk. He asks to check it because no ASWs on your list.
Now what? He is anti gun and follows the opinion that no FA10 means unregistered. You get charged. LTC gets pulled.
Judge may or may not concur, but meanwhile all your $stuff is stolen by the state.

I’m in a unique situation.. i’m such a well-known a**h***. They don’t even ask me if I have a gun on me anymore….
I also don’t shoot anywhere other than my own land and other private property with the owners permission so that’s affecting me is the magazine capacity and having to lock the mag up when they’re unloaded, which is stupid

 

[silversquirrel]

Where's the probable cause? If all your shit is being transported according to the law, nobody can see it. How would he know what you have in the trunk?
Never consent to a search.

If a cop is going to steal your shit, they're going to steal your shit. The current and upcoming laws don't change that.

Hypothetical test. Obviously probable cause applies. Suppose cop thinks somethings up because you are driving a shitbox with a tail light out or WHATEVER

 

[milktree]

Right?! But since when does the law ever matter since they will interpret it any way that suites their game. Don’t like it… sue. Meanwhile, no license, no guns, and you’ll go broke fighting it.

You're right, of course.

But here's the thing: A gun recorded in the FA10 system as a transaction or transfer or whatever is proof that you "registered" the gun. However, LACK of an entry in the FA10 system IS NOT proof that you didn't report the transaction, or that any law has been broken.

Lots of submitted paper FA10s never made it into the system, and lots of guns are in state 100% legally where there was no requirement to report anything.

 

[MGnoob]

From my understanding of all this, the only thing I need to do to comply is put this the back of my truck so I have somewhere to put my mags….
And I’m just gonna start carrying a third gun. Won’t even have to reload.


I didn’t pay that for it. I have the older version which was still about half that price if not more.


The problem is is you can’t load it and then put it in your truck you have to put it in your truck and then load it or you wouldn’t be able to pick it up

 

[milktree]

Hypothetical test. Obviously probable cause applies. Suppose cop thinks somethings up because you are driving a shitbox with a tail light out or WHATEVER

Do you seriously think "shitbox with tail light out" is probable cause to search a car under suspicion of maybe there might be an icky rifle in the locked box in the trunk?

 

[MGnoob]

Do you seriously think "shitbox with tail light out" is probable cause to search a car under suspicion of maybe there might be an icky rifle in the locked box in the trunk?

Doesn’t even have to be the lock box if it’s in the trunk? As long as it’s separated from the drivers compartment?

I know they defined it, but I didn’t read it. They’re considering a lockable glove box of safe storage which in reality isn’t very safe at all.

 

[Biglou82]

Which ones already stopped shipping to MA?

PSA

 

[Jenska22]

Doesn’t even have to be the lock box if it’s in the trunk? As long as it’s separated from the drivers compartment?

I know they defined it, but I didn’t read it. They’re considering a lockable glove box of safe storage which in reality isn’t very safe at all.

no provisions for hatchback/suv's hat don't have a 'trunk'

 

[HARRYM]

Do you seriously think "shitbox with tail light out" is probable cause to search a car under suspicion of maybe there might be an icky rifle in the locked box in the trunk?

Depends on weather the driver knocked it out or the police knocked it out....wait....what?......sorry.......wrong thread........

 

[silversquirrel]

Do you seriously think "shitbox with tail light out" is probable cause to search a car under suspicion of maybe there might be an icky rifle in the locked box in the trunk?

Obviously not. But maybe the cop thinks you look like a dirtbag dealer and wants to F with you. See Canton PD and MSPs finest.
My point is that the definition of registered has not been explicitly defined other than the proposed new non existent unfunded system.

 

[MGnoob]

no provisions for hatchback/suv's hat don't have a 'trunk'

Well, I agree with you. I would have to look at it again. The glove box used to be questionable, but if it locks, I don’t see how access from the drivers compartment I’d put it in a lock box, but I’m used to cross the state lines with crazy shit… so I want the federal law to protect me… I also don’t go to New York, New Jersey even though I live in Massachusetts those places are shitty

The cops New Jersey will straight up rob you

I’ll never go to Boston again I’ve done it once in the last 15 years and it was a complete disaster

 

[Jenska22]

Well, I agree with you. I would have to look at it again. The glove box used to be questionable, but if it locks, I don’t see how access from the drivers compartment I’d put it in a lock box, but I’m used to cross the state lines with crazy shit… so I want the federal law to protect me… I also don’t go to New York, New Jersey even though I live in Massachusetts those places are shitty

The cops New Jersey will straight up rob you

I’ll never go to Boston again I’ve done it once in the last 15 years and it was a complete disaster

My Brother lives in PA, so NY AND NJ.....

 

[pastera]

You obviously have far more experience with this than I do, but to a layman this certainly looks like a registration portal.View attachment 903133

No, you should ignore that along with the state's summary and several 2a lawyers/legal advocate groups advice.

Riding dirty and taking chances is fun...