Ultimate SHTF rifle???

G4Y4HK said:
Sonicare toothbrush with an old head, squeeze your favorite gun cleaner or CLP on it and bzzzzz away.
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Sounds like a great way to get sh*t all over.

I found a better way to clean guns ... date a woman that loves shooting and was an armorer that takes pride in showing you how quickly she can take guns apart and clean them. Win win.
 
Pappy, just saw your post. I’ll try to answer. My rifle guy and I were in the army together. Then he was a squad sniper. From there he did it for a fast response team. I’ve been friends with him since he and I were Bothe 17 and 16. I know he uses several different factory match ammos on 1 gun. Then tells me which one runs the best so I can buy some. If it meets my standard it gets a new trigger unless accuracy international. Then a scope depending on how it’s to be shot.
Military antiques are evaluated for group, then fully stripped and cleaned. Then the scope of cloudy is rebuilt fully and purged if needed. I can go on an on
 
ddskehan said:
Gay4HK, sh needs babies
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Tell Me More Jeff Goldblum GIF by National Geographic Channel
 
ddskehan said:
Pappy, just saw your post. I’ll try to answer. My rifle guy and I were in the army together. Then he was a squad sniper. From there he did it for a fast response team. I’ve been friends with him since he and I were Bothe 17 and 16. I know he uses several different factory match ammos on 1 gun. Then tells me which one runs the best so I can buy some. If it meets my standard it gets a new trigger unless accuracy international. Then a scope depending on how it’s to be shot.
Military antiques are evaluated for group, then fully stripped and cleaned. Then the scope of cloudy is rebuilt fully and purged if needed. I can go on an on
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Youre original post reads very differently when we know its your friend doing it vs a random gun smith.
 
Broc Tuah said:
Sounds like a great way to get sh*t all over.

I found a better way to clean guns ... date a woman that loves shooting and was an armorer that takes pride in showing you how quickly she can take guns apart and clean them. Win win.
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Now you’re just showing off
 
PatMcD said:
I just don't trust any gunsmith to be able to shoot my rifle more accurately than I can.
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The other thing (at least for me) is that "accuracy" is not the end-all be-all for me, necessarily; I expect to hit minute-of-man, so tiny little differences in MOA are not all that interesting to me. I'm also assessing the recoil impulse, the trigger, the ergos... all of that requires me to shoot the rifle, not someone else.

Plus, I just flat-out enjoy shooting and tinkering. I know not everyone is like me, though.
 
Still my gunsmith, be kinda odd if I called him my best bud, and I pay him. Plus he keeps everything I don’t use. For my pistols it’s the same, but I use santurri.
 
ddskehan said:
Still my gunsmith, be kinda odd if I called him my best bud, and I pay him. Plus he keeps everything I don’t use. For my pistols it’s the same, but I use santurri.
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I get that, but it changes the dynamic completely. I zero some of my friends rifles for them, I wouldnt judge them. But if they said they had some guy the know zero their rifles with no context Id judge them too
 
AJK129 said:
thoughts on NX8 eye box?
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* 1-8, surprisingly poor eyebox at 1x, but the eyebox from 2-6x or so is totally fine for magnified shooting positions. 8x eyebox wasn’t as bad as people said. But yeah, the 1x was surprisingly worse than expected. My cheapo 1-6 vortex and primary arms had better 1x eye boxes. And the NX8 has a narrow field of view to boot (though not as tight as the ATACR).

* 4-32, perfectly acceptable eyebox all the way the way through 20x. And then it’s super tight, but no tighter than any other high mag optic.

Edit: If you’re thinking about the NX8, give it a try and see for yourself. It’s definitely worth checking out for yourself rather than taking internet opinions. Because it does have a lot going for it.
 
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ddskehan said:
Still my gunsmith, be kinda odd if I called him my best bud, and I pay him. Plus he keeps everything I don’t use. For my pistols it’s the same, but I use santurri.
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“My gunsmith, who’s my best bud from our Army days” is vastly different from random gunsmith. Most “gunsmiths” are moose knuckles.
 
Pictor, this is just some info I’d like to share, when I was young, much younger than I am today. I used a M21 in my Army unit. This is the mid 1980s. Our armorer was fairly skilled, not as skilled as he thought he was though. My rifle was having extraction issues, so I turned it in for repair. The next day it got issued back to me with the statement that it was A OK. On the line on the first round it blew up in my face. I couldn’t see crap for about 2 hours and I had some burns. Not enough to ruin my beautiful face but scared enough. Okay this is where I was going. Paying somebody that has insurance to work on your guns removes some liability if something happens. Also if they are skilled it turns out better
 
PappyM3 said:
* 1-8, surprisingly poor eyebox at 1x, but the eyebox from 2-6x or so is totally fine for magnified shooting positions. 8x eyebox wasn’t as bad as people said. But yeah, the 1x was surprisingly worse than expected. My cheapo 1-6 vortex and primary arms had better 1x eye boxes. And the NX8 has a narrow field of view to boot (though not as tight as the ATACR).


* 4-32, perfectly acceptable eyebox all the way the way through 20x. And then it’s super tight, but no tighter than any other high mag optic.
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Thats what Ive heard, and my understanding is with good lpvos you sacrifice either at the low end or high end.

If money became no object my next scope would be a March 1.5-15 to try though
 
ddskehan said:
Pictor, this is just some info I’d like to share, when I was young, much younger than I am today. I used a M21 in my Army unit. This is the mid 1980s. Our armorer was fairly skilled, not as skilled as he thought he was though. My rifle was having extraction issues, so I turned it in for repair. The next day it got issued back to me with the statement that it was A OK. On the line on the first round it blew up in my face. I couldn’t see crap for about 2 hours and I had some burns. Not enough to ruin my beautiful face but scared enough. Okay this is where I was going. Paying somebody that has insurance to work on your guns removes some liability if something happens. Also if they are skilled it turns out better
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No, I get all that; like I said above, I know not everyone is like me.

I will add, though, that if a gun I was paying my old army buddy to shoot for me blew up in his face and caused him some damage, all for my $35, I'd feel f***ing awful. It would make me wish it had blown up in my face, instead.

I know that's not what you're saying; I'm glad you have a system that works for you, even if I don't quite "get it."
 
ddskehan said:
Pictor, this is just some info I’d like to share, when I was young, much younger than I am today. I used a M21 in my Army unit. This is the mid 1980s. Our armorer was fairly skilled, not as skilled as he thought he was though. My rifle was having extraction issues, so I turned it in for repair. The next day it got issued back to me with the statement that it was A OK. On the line on the first round it blew up in my face. I couldn’t see crap for about 2 hours and I had some burns. Not enough to ruin my beautiful face but scared enough. Okay this is where I was going. Paying somebody that has insurance to work on your guns removes some liability if something happens. Also if they are skilled it turns out better
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Ok now you've piqued my interest. What was your MOS?
 
ddskehan said:
Pappy, just saw your post. I’ll try to answer. My rifle guy and I were in the army together. Then he was a squad sniper. From there he did it for a fast response team. I’ve been friends with him since he and I were Bothe 17 and 16. I know he uses several different factory match ammos on 1 gun. Then tells me which one runs the best so I can buy some. If it meets my standard it gets a new trigger unless accuracy international. Then a scope depending on how it’s to be shot.
Military antiques are evaluated for group, then fully stripped and cleaned. Then the scope of cloudy is rebuilt fully and purged if needed. I can go on an on
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Please, go on an on.

I find your post...fascinating.

MGNoob, is this you?
 
ddskehan said:
Pictor, this is just some info I’d like to share, when I was young, much younger than I am today. I used a M21 in my Army unit. This is the mid 1980s. Our armorer was fairly skilled, not as skilled as he thought he was though. My rifle was having extraction issues, so I turned it in for repair. The next day it got issued back to me with the statement that it was A OK. On the line on the first round it blew up in my face. I couldn’t see crap for about 2 hours and I had some burns. Not enough to ruin my beautiful face but scared enough. Okay this is where I was going. Paying somebody that has insurance to work on your guns removes some liability if something happens. Also if they are skilled it turns out better
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I’m my own gunsmith, armorer and crash test dummy.

I prefer to know my weapons inside and out and I like to tinker.

www.northeastshooters.com

Looking for a solid .308 M5 barrel.

Long story short…. My 16” .308 M5 Areo upper is not shooting well. I’ve eliminated the obvious, loose scope, ammo and had an accomplished shooter match my results, so not human error. As such, I’m looking for a replacement barrel for it so that I can use this for some long range 300-600...
www.northeastshooters.com www.northeastshooters.com
 
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Picton said:
The other thing (at least for me) is that "accuracy" is not the end-all be-all for me, necessarily; I expect to hit minute-of-man, so tiny little differences in MOA are not all that interesting to me. I'm also assessing the recoil impulse, the trigger, the ergos... all of that requires me to shoot the rifle, not someone else.

Plus, I just flat-out enjoy shooting and tinkering. I know not everyone is like me, though.
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Sounds like something an AK guy would say
 
Tartakovsky said:
Sounds like something an AK guy would say
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I do like AKs, but I also like G3s, AR180s, Daewoos, a FAL or two... even an AR.

I'm an equal-opportunity rifleman. And I'm never all that hung up on 1MOA accuracy. I will say that my Vz58 is noticeably more accurate than any AK I've owned.
 

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