What did you do in the reloading room recently?

mac1911 said:
Its not always easy getting a load for both platforms. Because of bullet ogive.
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Never had a problem with loads for my balckhawk and Henry 357 match up. I mean one load would tend to be more accurate on one or the other but they'd all cycle fine in the henry.

Same with my 629 and ruger 44 carbine.

I mean....this really isn't a problem......if I seat them a tad lower to cycle right in the winchester it won't effect functioning in the 629.
 
Loaded up 500 rounds of 9mm last night for a total of 1500 this past week. I’ll load another 500 and then switch out to 38 special and 357 magnum.

Anyone use Hornady XTP 158 grain 38 cal bullets. I’ll be using them in a Henry Big Boy X and doing some load development. If all gets well I’ll hunt with it next year.
 
steve8140 said:
Loaded up 500 rounds of 9mm last night for a total of 1500 this past week. I’ll load another 500 and then switch out to 38 special and 357 magnum.

Anyone use Hornady XTP 158 grain 38 cal bullets. I’ll be using them in a Henry Big Boy X and doing some load development. If all gets well I’ll hunt with it next year.
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I have loaded them for pistol only , came free with a press order.
 
whacko said:
Never had a problem with loads for my balckhawk and Henry 357 match up. I mean one load would tend to be more accurate on one or the other but they'd all cycle fine in the henry.

Same with my 629 and ruger 44 carbine.

I mean....this really isn't a problem......if I seat them a tad lower to cycle right in the winchester it won't effect functioning in the 629.
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Im curious especially for touchy powders
How many 0.xxx” deeper can increase the pressure My computer crapped out so I cant check the load data calculator i have
Also wonder the throat/lands jump on some bullets and the increase in pressure in the lever gun.
 
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steve8140 said:
Anyone use Hornady XTP 158 grain 38 cal bullets. I’ll be using them in a Henry Big Boy X and doing some load development. If all gets well I’ll hunt with it next year.
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158g XTP (35750)
15g Alliant 2400
Federal magnum primers
starline brass
1720fps in my 16" Marlin

my best accuracy with these bullets was done using 15g Vihtavuori N110 at 1550 fps
 
mac1911 said:
Im curious especially for touchy powders
How many 0.xxx” deeper can increase the pressure My computer crapped out so I cant check the load data calculator i have
Also wonder the throat/lands jump on some bullets and the increase in pressure in the lever gun.
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Definitely hitting the rifling i made a dummy and chambered it. Can see it in the pic. I don't think this projo will work in this rifle. Had to go down to 1.458 to get the lever to close without forcing it....and its to the point that the cannelure is below the case mouth.

How much additional pressure am I creating if I seat it that low?
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whacko said:
Definitely hitting the rifling i made a dummy and chambered it. Can see it in the pic. I don't think this projo will work in this rifle. Had to go down to 1.458 to get the lever to close without forcing it....and its to the point that the cannelure is below the case mouth.

How much additional pressure am I creating if I seat it that low?
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Were you chambering as pictured?
Because that case flare could be interfering with the chambering too.

If you go back to my old post you can see I was suggesting to just crimp enough to get rid of that flare. It will allow you to mess with seating depth and test. If you roll crimp you can seat deeper without ruining the case. If you don’t remove the flare you get a bad reading due to it not chambering.
It could be that you kept dropping the length and chambering a bunch of times which just took a little flare out of the case each time. Eventually letting it chamber.
Based off of case mouth when the seating depth was fine somewhere halfway through your process.
 
38ExtraSpecial said:
Were you chambering as pictured?
Because that case flare could be interfering with the chambering too.

If you go back to my old post you can see I was suggesting to just crimp enough to get rid of that flare. It will allow you to mess with seating depth and test. If you roll crimp you can seat deeper without ruining the case. If you don’t remove the flare you get a bad reading due to it not chambering.
It could be that you kept dropping the length and chambering a bunch of times which just took a little flare out of the case each time. Eventually letting it chamber.
Based off of case mouth when the seating depth was fine somewhere halfway through your process.
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Good point.

I redid the testing. Got one to chamber at 1.558 with just the flare removed. Still got no cannelure showing. I cramped this one when I was able to just barely chamber it. No cannelure showing.

Anyone think this is too short and going to be a problem even using min charge of h110? Lyman 50 says 1.610 I'm at 1.558 so 0.052 shorter.

I'm somewhat "attached" to using these projos as I have 3k of them and I'll never put that many thru my 629 in my lifetime lol. If it doesn't work out it is what it is. Opinions anyone?

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It’s been awhile since I compared the length and position of the cannelure on the Zeros but I know it’s different than a XTP and many other JSPs/JHPs. You might have less bullet in the case with the Zero’s therefore less pressure when compared to the same case OAL using other 44 mag bullets.
That’s something to keep in mind when looking at load data for 240 gr bullets
 
whacko said:
Good point.

I redid the testing. Got one to chamber at 1.558 with just the flare removed. Still got no cannelure showing. I cramped this one when I was able to just barely chamber it. No cannelure showing.

Anyone think this is too short and going to be a problem even using min charge of h110? Lyman 50 says 1.610 I'm at 1.558 so 0.052 shorter.

I'm somewhat "attached" to using these projos as I have 3k of them and I'll never put that many thru my 629 in my lifetime lol. If it doesn't work out it is what it is. Opinions anyone?

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Can you compare the bullet length to a known bullet length of the same weight? Then you can get an idea

I would just start back at a starting load really.

If crimp is an issue get a Lee collet crimp die. It doesn’t need a cannelure. It creates its own

Also so I don’t have to scroll back what is the bullet again? Weight and manufacturer? Also length?
 
38ExtraSpecial said:
Can you compare the bullet length to a known bullet length of the same weight? Then you can get an idea

I would just start back at a starting load really.

If crimp is an issue get a Lee collet crimp die. It doesn’t need a cannelure. It creates its own

Also so I don’t have to scroll back what is the bullet again? Weight and manufacturer? Also length?
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Zero is the brand name
Weight: 240 grains
Bullet type: Jacketed Soft Point (JSP)
Approximate length: 0.700 inches
 
38ExtraSpecial said:
Gordon reloading tool for what it’s worth.
Maybe not exact but it’s something.

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If I'm reading that correctly the tool is saying at the oal that chambers in my rifle and a starting load of h110 it would be max 33k psi......and 44mag is 36k max.......so it's up there but not crazy pressure?
 
whacko said:
If I'm reading that correctly the tool is saying at the oal that chambers in my rifle and a starting load of h110 it would be max 33k psi......and 44mag is 36k max.......so it's up there but not crazy pressure?
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Correct. GRT isn’t perfect but it’s pretty good.

I corrected the barrel length and at 18” you should get about 1700 FPS.
 
If you look at the pic the tab for 22.7 was inadvertently clicked. 23.1 would be a little hotter. 35k psi.

I’ll change the pic out now.
So you’re tickling the upper edge.
 
38ExtraSpecial said:
If you look at the pic the tab for 22.7 was inadvertently clicked. 23.1 would be a little hotter. 35k psi.

I’ll change the pic out now.
So you’re tickling the upper edge.
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If i decide to load a batch to test at the oal that'll chamber properly I'm gonna load at the bottom of h110 charges......Lyman gives 22.5 to 23.5 ill be using 22.5.
 
whacko said:
If i decide to load a batch to test at the oal that'll chamber properly I'm gonna load at the bottom of h110 charges......Lyman gives 22.5 to 23.5 ill be using 22.5.
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Yeah that should be best. See what you get for velocity bad check is bs GRT.
If it seems good then you can tickle it up a bit at a time.
 
whacko said:
Definitely hitting the rifling i made a dummy and chambered it. Can see it in the pic. I don't think this projo will work in this rifle. Had to go down to 1.458 to get the lever to close without forcing it....and its to the point that the cannelure is below the case mouth.

How much additional pressure am I creating if I seat it that low?
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That is the question
 
Stopped by Shooters Outpost today, it’s awesome that they’re a Dillon stocking dealer. Picked up a large pistol casefeeder plate.

Pulled apart the 650 to do a thorough deep clean, removed the primer assemble, pulled off the main platform and the indexing ring. Cleaned and greased, then put it all back together but swapped over from 9mm to 38/357 magnum.

Prepped two toolheads with dies, one will be 38 special and the other 357 magnum and they will share the powder measure assembly.

Sidenote: Shooters is starting to get more primers and powder availability and prices while still high compared to a few online venders, are reasonably prices considering shipping and hazmat fees.
They had most varieties of primers today including large rifle that seem to be one of the harder ones to find lately.
 
steve8140 said:
Stopped by Shooters Outpost today, it’s awesome that they’re a Dillon stocking dealer. . . .
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Same here and glad they are. I picked up a strong mount and the bullet tray for the XL750. When I ordered the thing I wasn't thinking that I wanted to make use of the drawer underneath that part of my bench...

+1 to Shooters Outpost, not to rat on them but the price of the bullet tray may have been a little less than what "Big Blue" advertises online, so that was cool.
 
38ExtraSpecial said:
Yeah that should be best. See what you get for velocity bad check is bs GRT.
If it seems good then you can tickle it up a bit at a time.
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May have time to make 5 at the new oal and reduced powder charge after work and run to the club to test.

If I'm crimping above the cannelure......what crimp would you suggest....roll or taper? I can do either I have a 4 die set.
 
whacko said:
May have time to make 5 at the new oal and reduced powder charge after work and run to the club to test.

If I'm crimping above the cannelure......what crimp would you suggest....roll or taper? I can do either I have a 4 die set.
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Lee collet crimp. That’s your best bet really.

The taper might not hold the bullets from setting back and the roll probably isn’t going to really be effective without a cannelure.

The Lee kind of stabs the case mouth in and creates its own cannelure. Well worth the few bucks.

Until you get one try a heavy taper
 
mac1911 said:
Im curious especially for touchy powders
How many 0.xxx” deeper can increase the pressure My computer crapped out so I cant check the load data calculator i have
Also wonder the throat/lands jump on some bullets and the increase in pressure in the lever gun.
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For big old cases with a low case fill, the seating depth isn't crazy critical - I can run it through GRT (some day I'll splurge and get QuickLoad)
 
DW357 said:
It’s been awhile since I compared the length and position of the cannelure on the Zeros but I know it’s different than a XTP and many other JSPs/JHPs. You might have less bullet in the case with the Zero’s therefore less pressure when compared to the same case OAL using other 44 mag bullets.
That’s something to keep in mind when looking at load data for 240 gr bullets
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This - in order to find the correct seating depth for a load with a different bullet (same weight) you need to know the actual length of the bullet in the load data.
If you are loading a bullet that's shorter, your COAL will be shorter to achieve the same pressures.
 

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