CatSnoutSoup
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Dang, I was hoping to hear how well the Super DX feature worked.
FTM-500 has the same circuit, that's where it was developed.
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Dang, I was hoping to hear how well the Super DX feature worked.
Oh, an EFHW. Those were all the rage a couple years ago. They have their share of haters, but I've probably gotten a thousand contacts with them. I only started using other antennas because I was tired of trying to find a suitable branch to get the end up in the air. I found it was good on 40/20/15/10. I just had to pay attention to where in the band I was operating, because you don't get the whole band.
A 45' high branch will give you about a 45 degree angle. I found that keeping the transformer near the ground, but not on the ground, helped get the lowest SWR dip.
Just a tip in case you plan on cutting the wire once you're happy with it. Folding it over isn't exactly the same as cutting, unless you're using bare wire. Callum (M0MCX, of DX Commander fame) says it's something like 1/3. So a fold of 1' actually looks like 4" of wire.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UwaIc3GdSA
They both have their pros/cons. In the field, an EFHW is far easier to setup and doesn't require as much coax. Needing one clear branch at a good height is much easier than two clear branches and clear in between. The same can be true at home if you have a small lot and not ideal trees. An OCFD is likely more efficient on the designed band.I've never been a fan of EFHW. I've had much better luck with OCFD. YMMV.
They both have their pros/cons. In the field, an EFHW is far easier to setup and doesn't require as much coax. Needing one clear branch at a good height is much easier than two clear branches and clear in between. The same can be true at home if you have a small lot and not ideal trees. An OCFD is likely more efficient on the designed band.
I suspect that the quality that endears many to the EFHW is the ease of setup, as you mentioned.
I've done this the last few years. I'm on the fence this year. There's a real emphasis on challenges and I find that a little distracting. I generally am just trying not to freeze to death or go hungry as I like to use my Super Secret Squirrel Location that has no power/heat/water/etc.Downloaded WFD rules and started making a plan for "Outdoor" operation with 3 operators, battery powered, +3 antennas, almost all bands covered.
I was hoping to see a multiplier for also smoking ribs on the BGE, but alas, no such luck.
@n1oty, you make it sound like they're a compromise of epic proportions used by lazy people. They work just fine. @Gerbs54 built it as his first antenna. As the saying goes: the best antenna is the one you're using. So he's got the best antenna.
In the end, an EFHW is a transformer and half a wavelength of wire in the air and an OCFD is a transformer and half a wavelength of wire in the air.
Most of the radiation (max current) is at the center of the antenna, just like any dipole, so a 40m EFHW sloped at 45 degrees will have most of it's radiation about 25' in the air, almost 1/4 wavelength. They're more omnidirectional than a flat top dipole, more like an inverted vee. The only real difference is the efficiency of the transformer.
Here are insertion loss plots of two winding methods: blue is the way most people do it, wound loosely with a crossover, and red is tightly wound. So the EFHW transformer can have an insertion loss of 2dB or less. Or in practical terms, about half of an S-unit worse than if you were using an ideal 4:1 in an OCFD. And a 40m EFHW gives you the 15m band that you don't get with an OCFD.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1urC7O_Kyf4
In the end, the EFHW is a couple dB worse in terms of transmission efficiency, and significantly better in terms of transport/setup efficiency, plus it gives you an extra band.
Full disclosure: I've built a 40m OCFD that works just fine. I never use it because it is so difficult to find a suitable place to setup and if I do, is much more difficult to setup. It's also a lot bulkier/heavier to carry and requires a lot more coax.
For reference, these are two EFHWs I've built.
Loosely wound with crossover:
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Tightly wound (note this is a 21:3 winding, vs 14:2 in above)...
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I don't use a counterpoise or choke and haven't ever had a problem at 100w. I use the "let your coax shield be your counterpoise" approach, which still "should" need a choke, but never bothered. I did initially use a counterpoise, and it only has to be a few feet (0.05 wavelength). But one day I tried it without and it made no difference, so I stopped bothering. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've built a number of them and it's always been fine. Everyone I see using them does it this way.
I keep the transformer close to, but not touching, the ground (a foot or so). That helps give me consistent SWR/resonant frequency. I always assumed it had to do with capacitance to ground, at least that's how my brain pictures it. Maybe it's helping me out with RF noise?
In general I try to setup any antenna as close to the way it was when it was tuned. This keeps the resonant point at the same frequency.
And mostly I didn't want @Gerbs54 to think the first antenna he built wasn't any good.
And mostly I didn't want @Gerbs54 to think the first antenna he built wasn't any good.
Please don't take what I have said on this matter as negative criticism. On the contrary, I am simply trying to stimulate thoughtful discussion so that new hams in particular can learn. I am glad that he has experimented with EFHW. I hope he further experiments with scratch building other forms of antenna's and builds his own foundation of knowledge.
I am glad to have the advice or even just hear what others have experienced. I used a 49:1 build by Nelson Antennas, from eBay. I wanted to at least eliminate that as a variable buy getting it from someone fairly reputable vs building myself, at least for the first one. 1:1, 4:1, 9:1 all seem easy to come by but 49:1 seemed harder to find without it being a kit, overpriced for what it was or "home built" by someone else (which the Nelson is but at least there are some reviews to reference).
I don't have any test equipment for the most part, I used the SWR meter from the radio to tune the wire length. I had the transformer tied to the top of a plow marking stake, about 2.5 - 3 feet off the ground. I had a 6' counterpoise wire on the transform and I used a home build choke on the radio end. Only 2-3 feet of the counterpoise was on the ground, not sure if that is makes any difference. The choke is 12 turns of RG58 on a FT240-43 based on the following: Common-mode chokes
In the next deployment my goals are to get the wire higher, either a sloper or inverted V. If I go sloper I will get the wire 65' up in a tree, if I go inverted V I'll toss the wire over the barn, that would make the wire 20' at the peak, shooting for 90 degrees at the peak to the legs. I will keep the transformer elevated and I plan to move the choke to the feed point.
I am open to any suggestions. How do you tell if you are having an issue with common mode current coming back or anything for that matter other than subjected observation of how its preforming?
No worries. I may have gotten carried away. There are a lot of haters out there who say they suck because they sucked back in the 60s. Who knows how people were making them back then, so I just try and clear it up when I can. I built my 40m OCFD because you always rave about them, and after I finally got it tuned it it was nice on 40/20/10. I wanted it for portable use, but it's too much work. I'll find a use for it.Please don't take what I have said on this matter as negative criticism. On the contrary, I am simply trying to stimulate thoughtful discussion so that new hams in particular can learn. I am glad that he has experimented with EFHW. I hope he further experiments with scratch building other forms of antenna's and builds his own foundation of knowledge. He should take interest in learning about common mode currents because it can cause a number of problems. He needs to learn what it is, how it can affect operation, the EMI/RFI it can cause and, finally, what steps he can take to mitigate if it rears it's ugly head.
Sounds like you did it right. If you have a counterpoise, you should put the choke at the feed point like you said.I am glad to have the advice or even just hear what others have experienced. I used a 49:1 build by Nelson Antennas, from eBay. I wanted to at least eliminate that as a variable buy getting it from someone fairly reputable vs building myself, at least for the first one. 1:1, 4:1, 9:1 all seem easy to come by but 49:1 seemed harder to find without it being a kit, overpriced for what it was or "home built" by someone else (which the Nelson is but at least there are some reviews to reference).
I don't have any test equipment for the most part, I used the SWR meter from the radio to tune the wire length. I had the transformer tied to the top of a plow marking stake, about 2.5 - 3 feet off the ground. I had a 6' counterpoise wire on the transform and I used a home build choke on the radio end. Only 2-3 feet of the counterpoise was on the ground, not sure if that is makes any difference. The choke is 12 turns of RG58 on a FT240-43 based on the following: Common-mode chokes
In the next deployment my goals are to get the wire higher, either a sloper or inverted V. If I go sloper I will get the wire 65' up in a tree, if I go inverted V I'll toss the wire over the barn, that would make the wire 20' at the peak, shooting for 90 degrees at the peak to the legs. I will keep the transformer elevated and I plan to move the choke to the feed point.
I am open to any suggestions. How do you tell if you are having an issue with common mode current coming back or anything for that matter other than subjected observation of how its preforming?
Nice results. My vote is for a RigExpert. A NanoNVA will work but there's more setup every time you use it. You have to calibrate any time you change parameters like the frequency range you're looking at. I don't have much experience with the NanoVNA, but I know I wouldn't be without an antenna analyzer. They are pricey though.Got the wire up over the barn & moved the choke to the feed point last night. Maybe it was just the conditions or it being a Friday but I was receiving many more stations than previously. Made my first contact with a skywarn station in FL. He gave me a 59, I had him 57 but lots of QRN on 40M. Heard Brazil really well but couldn’t hear anyone contacting him which made it hard to break in. SWR in 40m was really good right around 1.0, jumped up to 2.0-2.1 on 20m.
Is it worth getting a NanoVNA or should I have up for a rig expert?
Nice results. My vote is for a RigExpert. A NanoNVA will work but there's more setup every time you use it. You have to calibrate any time you change parameters like the frequency range you're looking at. I don't have much experience with the NanoVNA, but I know I wouldn't be without an antenna analyzer. They are pricey though.
Another nice feature of the RigExperts (I assume all of them) is the ability to connect to a computer (via USB) or phone (via BlueTooth). The phone app has been wonky since the war in Ukraine started. They're made in Ukraine, so I assume that's why. I've also learned to save the charts of my antennas. It's handy when something suddenly doesn't seem right, or you can't remember where in the band an antenna is resonant. Or to illustrate the difference as you raise or lower an antenna.
I think I have a Rig Expert somewhere around here. I bought it at Dayton a few years ago for something and I'm not sure I ever used it. If you're interested in it I'll look for it.
That's better than 2/minute! I wouldn't even think there were that many people on 160. Awesome.Used a remote Elecraft K4D-K4D to connect to a friend's station in Indiana and did some 160 meter ARRL contest last night. 257 Qs in 2 hours.
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I haven't had a 160 meter antenna since 1974 - 1980 when I had a full size dipole. I think that was in the LORAN days on 160 so working anything on Top Band then was difficult.
In 1974 there were no "WARC" bands 30, 17 and 12 meters. The new bands were added in 1979. There was still LORAN on 160. Morse code requirement for all licenses, most exams in our area at the FCC office in Boston. We did have sliced bread and indoor plumbing.That's better than 2/minute! I wouldn't even think there were that many people on 160. Awesome.
I bet back in 1974 you never thought you'd be connecting to someone else's station from states away to operate in a contest. A friend of mine has a Flex and it blows my mind when he pulls it up on his phone to show me something.
I'm glad to live in a more modern era. I enjoy the WARC bands, and I was glad to have been licensed without having to learn CW. And I'm glad I learned CW. I just looked up a QSO sample of what would have been given for the 20wpm test, and I got some of it but not all. I imagine if I practiced listening to "strict" QSOs to get the flow down I could do much better.In 1974 there were no "WARC" bands 30, 17 and 12 meters. The new bands were added in 1979. There was still LORAN on 160. Morse code requirement for all licenses, most exams in our area at the FCC office in Boston. We did have sliced bread and indoor plumbing.
The only connectivity I can think of was running phone patches mostly to military personnel. That was just connecting the phone lines at either end to the radios. I was first licensed in 1965. My "Elmer" was first on the air in 1912. He told some great stories about the dawn of radio communication.
I connect with my station in Maine also. Very different propagation.
I have one of these in my pickup, and it's a great radio RF-wise, audio-wise, erfgonomics-wise. The RT Systems software is, in my opinion, a must have for this and any other radios that can use it.FTM-500DR is set up and I have been programing it. I am using RT Systems software which was only a $25 outlay as the radio uses the same data cable as my FTM-100.