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What is your "Long Range" Rifle Platform?
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Is that the dreaded wall of Woburn?
Zermatt big horn Origin if you want to jump in from the start with a do it yourself custom
if you want to wade in slowly the get a Tikka and swap parts as you want
less initial financial layout with the tikka, but eventually you’ll spend more
if you want to wade in slowly the get a Tikka and swap parts as you want
less initial financial layout with the tikka, but eventually you’ll spend more
DarkJoker33
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ill get laughed at, but after research i adopted 6.5 grendel and dropped .308
if ever need be, carrying 1 lower and 2 uppers is easier than carrying 2 rifles.
I know the situations will never arise. But its the thought tha counts.
if ever need be, carrying 1 lower and 2 uppers is easier than carrying 2 rifles.
I know the situations will never arise. But its the thought tha counts.
50wt
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It's being offered by a few mfgs , so I'd say pretty consistent. I dont know what the actions makers specs are for the mating surfaces, but I think the barrel tenon tolerance on some diameters is t =/- . 00025 .
Rockrivr1
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Ha! Serbu is still there. Just $4-$5 a shot is a bank killer at this point.
Check out. Ao gunsmith they have a rifle they call the mange. Come with a defiance machine tenacity receiver, bartlein barrel and a krg bravo stock. 2300 bucks. For caliber 6.5 is great. Or check out the 6gt
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i have a ruger 10/22 i rebuilt with internals and a 16" bull barrel. on a very good day, i can reach out and touch at 80 yards, maybe out to 100 fairly accurately. but the god of long range needs to stop the wind and clear my eyes. your results may vary.
If one wants a long range rifle build now it got to be something in 6mm. Which one - dasher or br or gt - there are choices.
I want to get one as well, but still debating between choosing either a dasher or gt. Both would be varget loads, but dasher brass is simpler to buy now. GT presumably is tad better long term. Dunno.
If I would hunt - an extra light 6lbs rifle in a 6 creedmoor would be the best, even if its barrel will last for 1500 shoots only. Most PRS folks seem to be still on a 6dasher
6mm GT or 6GT, the New 6 on the Block. - LoadDevelopment.com
The GT in 6mm GT, stands for George Gardner and Tom Jacobs , the two guys who developed the cartridge, out of the need to have a better competition 6mm cartridge.
www.loaddevelopment.com
Also, a 6gt can be easier built into an AR10. Dasher can theoretically be built into ar15 but a reliable mag feeding can be an issue.
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namedpipes
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I have most of the parts to assemble an ICBM. No warhead though
Maybe a whole lot of tannerite...
Kidding, mister fbi man
I have AR10s in .308/7.62 and 6.5 Creedmoor (just started testing the Creedmoor rifle for function). 20 and 22 inch barrels.
For me, I know that platform, easy to upgrade, customize etc. I do also find the concept of a custom or off the shelf 700 Rem interesting, maybe some day.
I don't know how much more accurate a bolt gun gets you, but for me that's not the problem and I only can find just under 400 yards on the top end reasonably easily in my area. There are other less convenient options for shooting longer, have ambitions to some day but is never priority.
For me, I know that platform, easy to upgrade, customize etc. I do also find the concept of a custom or off the shelf 700 Rem interesting, maybe some day.
I don't know how much more accurate a bolt gun gets you, but for me that's not the problem and I only can find just under 400 yards on the top end reasonably easily in my area. There are other less convenient options for shooting longer, have ambitions to some day but is never priority.
If one wants a long range rifle build now it got to be something in 6mm. Which one - dasher or br or gt - there are choices.
I want to get one as well, but still debating between choosing either a dasher or gt. Both would be varget loads, but dasher brass is simpler to buy now. GT presumably is tad better long term. Dunno.
If I would hunt - an extra light 6lbs rifle in a 6 creedmoor would be the best, even if its barrel will last for 1500 shoots only. Most PRS folks seem to be still on a 6dasher
6mm GT or 6GT, the New 6 on the Block. - LoadDevelopment.com
The GT in 6mm GT, stands for George Gardner and Tom Jacobs , the two guys who developed the cartridge, out of the need to have a better competition 6mm cartridge.
Also, a 6gt can be easier built into an AR10. Dasher can theoretically be built into ar15 but a reliable mag feeding can be an issue.
Both dasher and GT use a .473 bolt face. You would need an AR10 platform to build a gas gun in either caliber.
GT was designed to fix the feeding issues of the Dasher, which MDT solved with their BR mags before the GT was released. GT was late to the party. The only "benefit" to the GT is you can, in theory, run it a tiny bit faster at the expense of more powder. I don't see the need for PRS.
50wt
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Has anyone built a dasher or gt on the ar10 platform?
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Ruger Precision 308, Viper scope.
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I’ve been thinking about going kind of the opposite direction from most chassis based precision rifles. Most of them, like my Bergara, start out pretty heavy, even before you add a scope and bipod. The Bergara starts out at 10.4 pounds, stripped. With it’s scope it’s running over 13 pounds. I’ve been looking for something lighter, that might actually be easier for me to tote in the field. So I’ve been looking at the Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle. Something in .308 like this:
www.eurooptic.com
Stripped, it’s only 6.9 lbs. With something like a Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50 FFP on it (under 1.4 pounds and add a couple of oz for the rings) and you’d have a precision setup under 9 lbs. .308 in a nine pound rifle shouldn’t be that bad from a recoil point of view and you can always go 6.5 CR if you want.
Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle .308 Win 20" 1:10" Desert Brown 801-03008-01
Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle .308 Win 20" 1:10" Desert Brown 801-03008-01 For Sale
fshalor
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Weird. I consider 6.5 CM a 1 mile capable calibre and a 1000 yards any day. Vs 308 which is a bit limited after 600.6.5CM is great for sure - as barrel will last long enough and shooting it is a lot of fun.
the budget there is really a limiting factor. for a stock rifle in $1500 category the bergara lrp2 was great 2 years ago - @cathouse01 at a time recommended it to me and it shoots good 1/3-1/4 MOA. like others said - 6.5CM is a 600yds caliber. going to 800yds+ - it is not the best.
next step up, somewhat - a 'factory' custom rifle - would be a $2500 level something like that, if you do like the MPA chassis (most do):
Premier LRP 2.0 Rifle - Bergara USA
The Premier Series LRP rifle features a Bergara Branded aluminum chassis made in partnership XLR Industries. This Chassis is CNC machined from solid 6061 T6 aluminum and features an AR15 style grip, adjustable length of pull, adjustable comb height, and the butt plate can be canted to give a...www.bergara.online
MPA BA PMR Pro Rifle II - MasterPiece Arms, Inc.
Masterpiece Arms builds World Class Rifles. We start with our industry leading Chassis System, utilize the Best Actions and Triggers produced, and a 416R SS Handlapped Barrels provide some the best shooting, most accurate rifles in existence. Designed, Built and Enhanced by Long Range Shooters...masterpiecearms.com
going up in price from $2500 level with custom actions and better barrels (if you will see what top dogs in prs competitions are using) - it probably would stop making any sense using 6.5CM, that will be a 6mm custom build or more powerful one, if you are looking at 1000yds specifically.
PS. i looked at gunbroker - what used to be a $1500 lrp2 bergara is now a $2000. inflation.
I've tagged metal at 800 yards with 7.62x54r. With irons. 10/15. Long range? No but stable.
The only 1k range I played on, the two of us had matching Ruger Americans. One in 308 and one in 6.5cm same Niteforce scopes. Both had match ammo prepped and same zero, but man CM just thunked right.
It is doable, but kinda defeats the point, if you want best precision for prs. Unless one wants a semi- gas gun for hunting.
I have a 6.5cm ar10 for that, but it is quite heavy for a hunting rig, just under 13lb.
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To tote in the field there are as light as 5.5lb rifles with wood stocks and carbon wrapped light barrels. A neat stuff. Mate it with a Swarovski z5 scope and you got an under 7lb rig.I’ve been thinking about going kind of the opposite direction from most chassis based precision rifles. Most of them, like my Bergara, start out pretty heavy, even before you add a scope and bipod. The Bergara starts out at 10.4 pounds, stripped. With it’s scope it’s running over 13 pounds. I’ve been looking for something lighter, that might actually be easier for me to tote in the field. So I’ve been looking at the Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle. Something in .308 like this:
Stripped, it’s only 6.9 lbs. With something like a Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50 FFP on it (under 1.4 pounds and add a couple of oz for the rings) and you’d have a precision setup under 9 lbs. .308 in a nine pound rifle shouldn’t be that bad from a recoil point of view and you can always go 6.5 CR if you want.Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle .308 Win 20" 1:10" Desert Brown 801-03008-01
Christensen Arms Modern Precision Rifle .308 Win 20" 1:10" Desert Brown 801-03008-01 For Sale
My longest range rifle is an M107A1 lol but the rifle I enjoy shooting the most at longer range lately is an old brass pinned, heavy barrelled, rem 700 in 6mm remington that I very luckily got from an estate auction that probably was never shot more than a few times. It is an absolute tack driver, very mild recoiling, and quite nostalgic for me as a 6mm Remington was my dad's favorite rifle growing up and I still have 2 boxes of his handloads that I keep for obvious reasons.
6mm Rem has been all but forgotten about but it is very versatile and can do very well at long range. It can actually have a slight velocity edge over .243win and is very comparable to 6mm Creedmoor with bullets around 100gr.
If I wanted something to really shoot long range a lot I'd pick up a Savage or Bergara in 6.5CM, put some good glass on it, and call it a day. A .308win would also be perfectly acceptable to me as oppurtunities to shoot beyond 400ish yds around here are few and m118lr ammo is cheaper than 6.5CM and very easy to duplicate if I want to reload it.
My old school pick is an 03a3, K31, or a Finnish M39.
6mm Rem has been all but forgotten about but it is very versatile and can do very well at long range. It can actually have a slight velocity edge over .243win and is very comparable to 6mm Creedmoor with bullets around 100gr.
If I wanted something to really shoot long range a lot I'd pick up a Savage or Bergara in 6.5CM, put some good glass on it, and call it a day. A .308win would also be perfectly acceptable to me as oppurtunities to shoot beyond 400ish yds around here are few and m118lr ammo is cheaper than 6.5CM and very easy to duplicate if I want to reload it.
My old school pick is an 03a3, K31, or a Finnish M39.
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I don't hunt so I don't care, once you put a giant hunk of glass on a rifle I call it a bench gun and if I had to carry it would be via pack.
But say an AR10, heavy yes, but you can break them down too. If you wanted to typically be taking a 500 yard shots at game I feel like it would be practical to mate upper and lower when it's time to setup for a shot. I'd probably pick a 16 inch barrel for that though.
Out of the box hunting bolt guns sure are light though.
But say an AR10, heavy yes, but you can break them down too. If you wanted to typically be taking a 500 yard shots at game I feel like it would be practical to mate upper and lower when it's time to setup for a shot. I'd probably pick a 16 inch barrel for that though.
Out of the box hunting bolt guns sure are light though.
from the weight perspective - something like that, at 6.5lbs for a 20" barrel - it is quite amazing. i re-weighted my AR10 and it is close to 13 lbs - 12.8 with a vortex 5-25x scope on it.
no comparison, really. and comes with a decent 2.5# triggertech.
Christensen Arms Ridgeline 6.5 Creedmoor 20" 1:8 " Black W/Gray Webbing 801-06040-01
Christensen Arms Ridgeline 6.5 Creedmoor 20" 1:8 " Black W/Gray Webbing 801-06040-01 For Sale
May want to do some research on CA before ordering. Lots of reviews of blatant QC issues that shouldn't happen in that price range. You could build a nice lightweight hunting rifle for the same price.from the weight perspective - something like that, at 6.5lbs for a 20" barrel - it is quite amazing. i re-weighted my AR10 and it is close to 13 lbs - 12.8 with a vortex 5-25x scope on it.
no comparison, really. and comes with a decent 2.5# triggertech.
Christensen Arms Ridgeline 6.5 Creedmoor 20" 1:8 " Black W/Gray Webbing 801-06040-01
Christensen Arms Ridgeline 6.5 Creedmoor 20" 1:8 " Black W/Gray Webbing 801-06040-01 For Sale
