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“New” offerings from cmp CustomShop Builds
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I think they had some contact info on the website for that in prior years. Listing them with a price is pretty new. Agreed, not a bad price for match prepped. Would be very interesting to see what they actually do, as we know there are several 'CMP Legal' tweaks to increase the accuracy of an M1.
Anyone wanting to know the list of tweaks- show up to Old Colony matches on a regular basis and you'll pick them up over time.
Anyone wanting to know the list of tweaks- show up to Old Colony matches on a regular basis and you'll pick them up over time.
No, I honestly don't think so- at least not to win CMP matches. CMP Garand matches are at 200 yards and use the 'SR' target that has a 7" 10-ring and a 3" X-ring. Typical Garand loads with 155's or 168's in an accurized rifle w/ a Criterion or better barrel will get you 2 MOA or better. That puts you well inside the 10-ring with a lot of X's. Shooter skill with a rifle at this level is by far the deciding factor as long as the ammo isn't garbage.
I have a M1 with a Krieger barrel and it was built by the guy who builds them for the top guys in the country including a guy who is probably the all time #1 nationally. I also have a USMC rebuilt M1 that's pretty damn accurate. I can shoot my 155 or 168 pet loads with TMK's or Nosler CC's; or simply grab some Creedmoor match ammo. All do pretty well on paper and I'm always the biggest variable.
You are not all wrong. Going from 2 MOA-ish to below 1.5 MOA with a CMP 'as issued' legal M1 is pretty hard. Honestly, with standard iron sights I think it's damn near impossible. Below 100 yd target was a postal match entry w/ the Krieger barrel M1 for the old M14 forum. 100-7X. 10-ring is 2.9" on the 'Dirty Bird' target. Usually there were no more than 2 or 3 guys who could regularly score 100's despite no limit to number of entries each month. Upper flyer was my bad.
One less X with a non-bedded but otherwise National Match M1 clone I built myself. Somewhere I have a pic of a 100-7X target with this rifle:
Both above targets involved some load development.
Rockrivr1
NES Member
No, I honestly don't think so- at least not to win CMP matches. CMP Garand matches are at 200 yards and use the 'SR' target that has a 7" 10-ring and a 3" X-ring. Typical Garand loads with 155's or 168's in an accurized rifle w/ a Criterion or better barrel will get you 2 MOA or better. That puts you well inside the 10-ring with a lot of X's. Shooter skill with a rifle at this level is by far the deciding factor as long as the ammo isn't garbage.
I have a M1 with a Krieger barrel and it was built by the guy who builds them for the top guys in the country including a guy who is probably the all time #1 nationally. I also have a USMC rebuilt M1 that's pretty damn accurate. I can shoot my 155 or 168 pet loads with TMK's or Nosler CC's; or simply grab some Creedmoor match ammo. All do pretty well on paper and I'm always the biggest variable.
You are not all wrong. Going from 2 MOA-ish to below 1.5 MOA with a CMP 'as issued' legal M1 is pretty hard. Honestly, with standard iron sights I think it's damn near impossible. Below 100 yd target was a postal match entry w/ the Krieger barrel M1 for the old M14 forum. 100-7X. 10-ring is 2.9" on the 'Dirty Bird' target. Usually there were no more than 2 or 3 guys who could regularly score 100's despite no limit to number of entries each month. Upper flyer was my bad.
One less X with a non-bedded but otherwise National Match M1 clone I built myself. Somewhere I have a pic of a 100-7X target with this rifle:
Both above targets involved some load development.
That’s some good shooting!
KMM696
NES Member
- The rifle features a Deluxe Barrel Installation, finish-reamed to meet military specifications for optimal headspace. It is compatible with standard length, contour, .308, and .30-06 barrels.
- A Gas Cylinder Assembly Refinish is applied using a blackening oxidizer to the gas cylinder, lock, and lock screw (the three stainless steel parts on a Garand). This process replicates the original finish found on post-war components, enhancing durability and authenticity.
- Rifle Metal Refinish involves parkerizing all metal parts. The rifle is carefully disassembled, with metal surfaces prepped and parkerized. The reassembled rifle is function-tested to ensure reliable performance. While the final finish color may vary depending on the metal’s properties, it will generally have a medium gray appearance reminiscent of the original service rifles.
- The Stock Set Refinish removes surface blemishes and ensures the proper contour of the stock. Special attention is given to maintaining the original shape. A combination of tung, danish, and teak oil generates a matte finish seal for a refined, functional, and attractive look.
- The Trigger Clean-Up performed removes all noticeable creep, resulting in a crisp military two-stage trigger pull with a weight of at least 4.5 lbs. This essential upgrade ensures a smooth and consistent shooting experience, vital for competitive performance.
CS Special Rifle - Civilian Marksmanship Program
I dont think they do much more. These are the same as the service grade specials they put out a few/couple years back
Refinished, new barrel , new stock minus the trigger job iirc those where $1150 back then
Pretty sure they do work on customer rifles, but you would have to call for a quote and that could be subject to inspection of one's M1. Agreed that their description doesn't get deep into the weeds for a top shelf match prep.
Services for the M1 Garand - Civilian Marksmanship Program
Item # Description Price CS165 Basic barrel Installation and Headspace (Price shown is for labor only and does not include the cost of the barrel. See CMP Custom Shop Inventory list for current barrels available.) This service includes the removal of the old barrel and installation of a new...
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Cmp custom shop offerings for M1
BigGreen2000
NES Member
No, I honestly don't think so- at least not to win CMP matches. CMP Garand matches are at 200 yards and use the 'SR' target that has a 7" 10-ring and a 3" X-ring. Typical Garand loads with 155's or 168's in an accurized rifle w/ a Criterion or better barrel will get you 2 MOA or better. That puts you well inside the 10-ring with a lot of X's. Shooter skill with a rifle at this level is by far the deciding factor as long as the ammo isn't garbage.
I have a M1 with a Krieger barrel and it was built by the guy who builds them for the top guys in the country including a guy who is probably the all time #1 nationally. I also have a USMC rebuilt M1 that's pretty damn accurate. I can shoot my 155 or 168 pet loads with TMK's or Nosler CC's; or simply grab some Creedmoor match ammo. All do pretty well on paper and I'm always the biggest variable.
You are not all wrong. Going from 2 MOA-ish to below 1.5 MOA with a CMP 'as issued' legal M1 is pretty hard. Honestly, with standard iron sights I think it's damn near impossible. Below 100 yd target was a postal match entry w/ the Krieger barrel M1 for the old M14 forum. 100-7X. 10-ring is 2.9" on the 'Dirty Bird' target. Usually there were no more than 2 or 3 guys who could regularly score 100's despite no limit to number of entries each month. Upper flyer was my bad.
One less X with a non-bedded but otherwise National Match M1 clone I built myself. Somewhere I have a pic of a 100-7X target with this rifle:
Both above targets involved some load development.
Agreed! I’ve got a 5.4 mil S.A. M1 from the CMP, mostly correct, that I performed all the “legal” mods to: free-float handguard, peen gas cylinder, etc. 2MOA with Lake City NM ammo
BigGreen2000
NES Member
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And I’m not a particularly good shooter. It would do better with a trigger clean up and experienced operator behind the sights
SR target is 6 moa-ish - keep them in the black and tou can score well, 270/300 for cmp games. 2 moa is roughly 2” groups at 100 yards.
Im a little hard on LC match ammo the newest stuff is 56 years old , Rumor mill is last few years where made with tired machines and left over components. Knowing they where not making it again
Also AFAIK there was no or very little LC Match ammo testing done. I have not found a mil spec accuracy standard for M72 NM other than technical drawings.
Also consider M72 match was a 60 year old concept by 1968. Before that it was T291 or something then before that it eas supposed to be the best lots tested whee set aside for the National Match
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