ATF E-Forms Submission wait time

Rob Boudrie said:
Is a ten print card and photo required for each Form 1 or Form 4 filed by a trust, or only the first application with a given set of trustees?
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Every submission for prints & photos. Trust docs - provided they don't change - don't need to be resent within 2 years of an approval.

Silencer Shop's kiosks will be the exception to the photos/prints rule, as ATF granted them a variance to re-use that information once it's collected through their kiosks. At some point, they will open the kiosks to transactions other than suppressor purchases too.
 
bigblue said:
You don't believe that Silencer Shop could sell 10,000 suppressors the last week before 41f? Do you even know who Silencer Shop is?
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I don't know who they are, I'm a mere peasant of MA so I'm not up to speed on the suppressor game. Thats why I said "not sure". If that is true then thats awesome.
 
The "Email"

So a buddy of mine got the dreaded email yesterday disapproving his 9mm build. He called the NFA hotline this morning, and they claim it was based on his selection of AM-15 MULTICAL instead of AM-15 in the drop down box. He says selecting the former didn't give him an option to select 9mm as he caliber.

The woman with whom he spoke said he needed to re-file under the new regulations, since he didn't submit a paper Form 1 after receiving the email. When he indicated that he received the email at 6:11pm, she basically told him to pound sand.

Is there any grace period for resubmitting disapproved applications now that there is a new rule in place? His police chief is 2A friendly, so it doesn't REALLY matter, but it's the principle of it.

What say the experts?

Thanks!
 
Salyeica said:
So a buddy of mine got the dreaded email yesterday disapproving his 9mm build. He called the NFA hotline this morning, and they claim it was based on his selection of AM-15 MULTICAL instead of AM-15 in the drop down box. He says selecting the former didn't give him an option to select 9mm as he caliber.

The woman with whom he spoke said he needed to re-file under the new regulations, since he didn't submit a paper Form 1 after receiving the email. When he indicated that he received the email at 6:11pm, she basically told him to pound sand.

Is there any grace period for resubmitting disapproved applications now that there is a new rule in place? His police chief is 2A friendly, so it doesn't REALLY matter, but it's the principle of it.

What say the experts?

Thanks!
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Maybe call again and hope to get someone in a better mood?
 
Salyeica said:
So a buddy of mine got the dreaded email yesterday disapproving his 9mm build. He called the NFA hotline this morning, and they claim it was based on his selection of AM-15 MULTICAL instead of AM-15 in the drop down box. He says selecting the former didn't give him an option to select 9mm as he caliber.

The woman with whom he spoke said he needed to re-file under the new regulations, since he didn't submit a paper Form 1 after receiving the email. When he indicated that he received the email at 6:11pm, she basically told him to pound sand.

Is there any grace period for resubmitting disapproved applications now that there is a new rule in place? His police chief is 2A friendly, so it doesn't REALLY matter, but it's the principle of it.

What say the experts?

Thanks!
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The ATF has repeatedly stated that there is no grace period. What he should have done is filed it as 5.56 and then sent them a letter after approval stating that he was building it in 9mm.

People get so caught up in "being right" on these forms that they get denied. Since the ATF has pre-defined criteria for processing forms, often what you want to construct does not conform to their criteria. That means you may not be able to fill out the form so that it reflects what you intend to construct. What you should be focusing on is getting the form approved, after which you can "update" the ATF on the actual construction or disposition of the firearm in question. This is perfectly acceptable, especially for something like an AR15 that can be constructed in over a hundred calibers and any number of lengths that can change in seconds.
 
bigblue said:
The ATF has repeatedly stated that there is no grace period. What he should have done is filed it as 5.56 and then sent them a letter after approval stating that he was building it in 9mm.

People get so caught up in "being right" on these forms that they get denied. Since the ATF has pre-defined criteria for processing forms, often what you want to construct does not conform to their criteria. That means you may not be able to fill out the form so that it reflects what you intend to construct. What you should be focusing on is getting the form approved, after which you can "update" the ATF on the actual construction or disposition of the firearm in question. This is perfectly acceptable, especially for something like an AR15 that can be constructed in over a hundred calibers and any number of lengths that can change in seconds.
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this
 
This was his first submission, made on May 16th. I don't think he was conditioned to be anticipating a denial, particularly one made at 6:11pm on the last day under the old rules.
 
I was disapproved 2 weeks ago for messing up my serial number on my form 1. The spikes lower I was assigning to it has the first 3 letters as part of the forging and then numbers etched into it after the forging. The first 3 letters were SCR which I thought were abbreviation for Serial... Idk why I thought that, but I did. I resubmitted a new Form 1 right after, but damn I felt stupid.. Back to the end of the line for me [crying]
 
bigblue said:
What you should be focusing on is getting the form approved, after which you can "update" the ATF on the actual construction or disposition of the firearm in question.
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I really wish I took that advice rather than agonizing over OAL. If I did I would have had my paperwork done for a second form 1 for a VEPR-12 SBS.
 
Bdh821 said:
I was disapproved 2 weeks ago for messing up my serial number on my form 1. The spikes lower I was assigning to it has the first 3 letters as part of the forging and then numbers etched into it after the forging. The first 3 letters were SCR which I thought were abbreviation for Serial... Idk why I thought that, but I did. I resubmitted a new Form 1 right after, but damn I felt stupid.. Back to the end of the line for me [crying]
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That sucks. There are a few threads on Arfcom about what the serial prefixes mean. When I submitted my Spike's lowers, I attached a photo of the box since the model #'s in the system don't correspond to what my box says. The submission started as "pending research" and it took a few weeks for them to turn "submitted/in process" but I have two approved forms on similar lowers already. It was risky but Spike's in particular changes their model numbers and the ATF doesn't always have the most recent ones listed (which is a huge pain). If I were submitting it a week out then I would simply have chosen one of the model #'s already in the system and gone from there.
 
Bdh821 said:
I was disapproved 2 weeks ago for messing up my serial number on my form 1. The spikes lower I was assigning to it has the first 3 letters as part of the forging and then numbers etched into it after the forging. The first 3 letters were SCR which I thought were abbreviation for Serial... Idk why I thought that, but I did. I resubmitted a new Form 1 right after, but damn I felt stupid.. Back to the end of the line for me [crying]
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Should have email ted cutter, they may have been able to look at correction right away.
 
Salyeica said:
Then I guess I was fortunate to have received a call from the ATF looking to clarify my submission.
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Only one or two will do that (Ted being among them) and if you look back through this thread there are several examples of people being told to pound sand under "normal" volume.
 
GLOCK-22 said:
7-12 ATF EFORMS down as of today 7-18 it's back up and running but still no form 4's and now no form 1's

But you can see all your submitted forms.
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Aside from existing forms, eForms is useless for individuals and trusts now. Whenever they bring form 4's back it might make sense for dealers to use those for clients though.

Actually, never mind. That's useless for the same reason as form 1's with all the BS new requirements. ATF would have to allow for online submission of prints and photos.
 
exodious said:
Aside from existing forms, eForms is useless for individuals and trusts now. Whenever they bring form 4's back it might make sense for dealers to use those for clients though.

Actually, never mind. That's useless for the same reason as form 1's with all the BS new requirements. ATF would have to allow for online submission of prints and photos.
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How is the eFile system useless as the result of 41F? If anything, the increased filing requirements increase the value of tracking everything electronically and streamlining the process as much as possible.
 
bigblue said:
How is the eFile system useless as the result of 41F? If anything, the increased filing requirements increase the value of tracking everything electronically and streamlining the process as much as possible.
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Because as of right now the eFile system cannot handle submitting photos and fingerprints through it, and as far as I am aware ATF has not announced any plans to update the eFile system to allow submitting photos and fingerprints. I would consider it a minor miracle if they ever actually implemented such an update.
 
mlaboss said:
Because as of right now the eFile system cannot handle submitting photos and fingerprints through it, and as far as I am aware ATF has not announced any plans to update the eFile system to allow submitting photos and fingerprints. I would consider it a minor miracle if they ever actually implemented such an update.
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You'd think the digital images of our fingerprints would be easily transmitted across the interwebs to the Feds when we applied for our LTCs.
 
mlaboss said:
Because as of right now the eFile system cannot handle submitting photos and fingerprints through it, and as far as I am aware ATF has not announced any plans to update the eFile system to allow submitting photos and fingerprints. I would consider it a minor miracle if they ever actually implemented such an update.
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They can't be scanned and sent with the trust docs? Or so the trust docs not matter anymore?
 
Salyeica said:
They can't be scanned and sent with the trust docs?
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The current system does not support it, no. Even if you wanted to try, you can't file new Form 1s on the eForms site anymore.

I just looked at the eForms site though, and the login page says they are "working diligently" to bring back Form 1s to the eForms site, so I guess maybe someday in the future they will support it. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

Due to the provisions of 41F the ATF Forms 1 and 5 are temporarily unavailable for submission through the eForms system. The forms were removed to allow ATF the opportunity to revise the forms and the workflows associated with the forms to incorporate the new requirements of 41F. While we do not have a specific date as to when the forms will be available again, we are working diligently to bring these forms back at a future point in time.
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Considering how well the ATF implemented eForms in the first place, I doubt we will ever see it made to work with the new rules.

I don't understand what it is about .gov that makes it nigh impossible for them to produce a website that works worth a damn. I mean, besides it being controlled by an unelected beaucracy that answers to no one because congress won't do its damn job. You'd think maybe one time they'd design a website that doesn't have to be rebooted every 5 minutes.
 
exodious said:
Considering how well the ATF implemented eForms in the first place, I doubt we will ever see it made to work with the new rules.

I don't understand what it is about .gov that makes it nigh impossible for them to produce a website that works worth a damn. I mean, besides it being controlled by an unelected beaucracy that answers to no one because congress won't do its damn job. You'd think maybe one time they'd design a website that doesn't have to be rebooted every 5 minutes.
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Perhaps I expect too much from a .gov agency but time will tell. If Hitlery wins then it's the least of our problems.
 
Knicks said:
will our pending forms now be denied? since no longer legal? or does todays news only affect dealers?
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I think it could have them denied - don't know. The ATF complies with local laws, regulations so if they believe that Healy is correct in stating that ARs have always been Illegal in MA post AWB, I think we are SOL
 

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