Mass-diver
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CEO of Southcoast Hospitals Busted for Assault and Gun Charges
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Standard gunshop owner fantasy: Be validated as the authority figure on gun laws they think they are.
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I didn't think that was the case, but now I'm not so sure.
Here is the list of the 83 magazines they are calling post-bans:
Most of these (other than the Glocks) I don't even recognize. And here I expected to see 83 Magpuls.
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If those Glock 33 rounders said “restricted” on them, why do they need the wife and daughter to testify?
I don’t want this guy to get convinced because it would set a precedent for us.
If the cops come to my house and find a marijuanna grow room - would I get in trouble if my wife does not testify against me?
Edit: If that Glock 40 22 rounder is made by Glock its also post ban. Glock came out with those after the ban. In fact after the ban ended so there were never restricted markings on those.
I don’t want this guy to get convinced because it would set a precedent for us.
If the cops come to my house and find a marijuanna grow room - would I get in trouble if my wife does not testify against me?
Edit: If that Glock 40 22 rounder is made by Glock its also post ban. Glock came out with those after the ban. In fact after the ban ended so there were never restricted markings on those.
Good update article including links to his entire inventory...
Hospital CEO charged with possession of 83 illegal high-capacity magazines
ROCHESTER — Southcoast Health CEO Keith Hovan, announced on Friday, Nov. 12 that he would be taking a leave of absence from the hospital system, effective immediately. Hovan, who was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault and battery on Nov...sippican.theweektoday.com
Ammo stash not nearly as impressive as first reported.![[slap]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/025.gif "Slap [slap]")
Well, ASC Magazine Co. was started in 2011, so he's boned on those alone.
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There is an unanswered question - is this a per-se offense, or is it necessary for the person possessing the magazines to know they are post-ban? I'm not referring to an "ignorance of the law" defense but rather an "ignorance of the fact that I was committing a crime".
Consider, for example, someone who buys a used car it is found to have drugs hidden inside the door panels, but there is absolutely no evidence suggesting the buyer knew the drugs were there. The law is clear - possession of certain drugs is a crime. Is the cay buyer in this case hosed? If not, how does that differ from owning a mag that you bought convinced it was pre-ban?
The answer for this is neither simple to arrive at or obvious. Further complicated is that if the court were to rule "knowledge" was required, to what extent would the reasonable person be expected to research the providence? There is a judge difference between a mag with a clear date stamp and a beat up old 30 round AR mag with no labelling an unclear history.
The short and accurate answer is "it's complicated".
So one of his ARs was chambered in .458, and he owned 130 rounds of 458 ammo. I wonder if he had any ten rounders for that? They look just like 30rd 5.56 mags.
I’m always shocked at these guys who store illegal items right next to registered guns. If the cops come it’s just too easy for them to charge you.
I’m always shocked at these guys who store illegal items right next to registered guns. If the cops come it’s just too easy for them to charge you.
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Soundwave
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Where do you store your illegal items?
Granted, I haven’t thought much about it because I have one safe and one house and nothing illegal, but in this case the rich guy doesn’t have a beach house in Rhode Island to keep the assaulty bits? Or a safe deposit box in Florida? Or a cop friend who could legally possess them? There’s options if you have the resources.
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Interesting he (apparently) has no NODs, no body armor and no green card.
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$100k at $400/hr is 6 weeks of lawyer time.
2 weeks prep
1 week paperwork/meetings
1 week in court and prepping for court appearances
1 week prepping and paying expert witnesses and filing
1 week wrap up/appeal prep
Easy.
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That's half the reason I split w/ Madame earlier this year, lolAm I the only one who finds it quite comical that the argument started over a television program? She must've been watching DVR recordings of The View ......
Really though, talk about the arrogance of the guy. “Yeah, go ahead and take my guns yourselves.” Was he thinking because of his socio-political-economic status that the cops wouldn’t care about the mags? You’d think he’d have his lawyer tell the cops that he would surrender the guns as soon as possible, as prescribed in MGL.
My "expert Internet research" suggested that the SCAR 17 takes standard STANAG mags, so we don't know if they were 1970's M16 magazines that happened to be in the same range bag as the SCAR, or if they were manufactured (and labeled) by the gun manufacturer.
Of course they are. Especially if they turn a 10 round magazine into a 15 round one.
It does add up quickly but a lawyer isn’t racking up a lot of hours for these charges. The DV will probably be dropped if the wife won’t cooperate and the mag issues will probably be plead down to some minor misdemeanor or continued without a finding and fines.
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You can use (modified) FAL mags too, correct?
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It adds up fast. Concurrent billing of clerks snd paralegals, hours and hours spent editing. $400/hr is actually just some low end smuck. If he’s smart and if he’s facing weapons and battery charges he’ll spend more than that on a top end lawyer.
He’ll spend $10k or less and work out a plea deal. This isn’t a murder charge, it’s a nothing issue in a state with a very soft judicial system.
You are vastly misunderstanding the seriousness of these charges, they’re very minor charges in a district court. And your guess at the number of billable hours is way off. It’s not a complicated legal issue with the need for lots of research, etc.
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He has a good shot at a CWOF with no jail time if he agrees not to get his guns back (he might be allowed to have them sold). The one thing he might be able to salvage is not becoming a federally prohibited person due to a misdafelony conviction.
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