Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

[Yummy_SPAM]

So when the preamble goes into effect only firearms on the roster will be for sale from dealers, unless you’re buying a firearm from a person that already owns it?

Shouldn't them enacting the law now without having rosters ready make them ripe for a lawsuit since we're blocked from buying anything but handguns?

 

[Agnotology]

I’m going to sell my butthole to Maura and her gang for two+ days notice before the preamble can be signed. I’m doing it for my people on NES!

dude stop I'm already close and my card is still smoldering

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

Shouldn't them enacting the law now without having rosters ready make them ripe for a lawsuit since you we're blocked from buying anything but handguns?

I have no clue to be perfectly honest.

dude stop I'm already close and my card is still smoldering

I’m taking one for the team, essentially punishing myself for getting caught flat-footed by this, lmfao

 

[Agnotology]

I have no clue to be perfectly honest.



I’m taking one for the team, essentially punishing myself for getting caught flat-footed by this, lmfao

How is it taking one for the team when you give belladonna a run for her money?

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

Only my pegging buddy knows the answer to that:

And the obligatory classic:

 

[pastera]

Shouldn't them enacting the law now without having rosters ready make them ripe for a lawsuit since we're blocked from buying anything but handguns?

Yes, we will have immediate standing.
However, the courts both Mass and federal 1st circuit are more anti-gun than California.

That said the SJC's opinion in Canjura may have thrown a wrench in Maura's celebration.

 

[MAD Geary]

Yes, we will have immediate standing.
However, the courts both Mass and federal 1st circuit are more anti-gun than California.

That said the SJC's opinion in Canjura may have thrown a wrench in Maura's celebration.

I hope the wrench gets thrown hard.

 

[Coyote33]

That said the SJC's opinion in Canjura may have thrown a wrench in Maura's celebration.

It says THIS RULING only applies to switchblade knives, BUT, there may be FUTURE RULINGS.

 

[MAJoe]

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It says THIS RULING only applies to switchblade knives, BUT, there may be FUTURE RULINGS.

I would read the actual ruling and the tests employed, pastera has done a good job at distilling this, vs a search AI summary.

 

[DarthRevan]

So… another nothing burger.

 

[FireMedic102]

I pulled in just before 11AM. 5 or 6 people waiting outside for Ma**h*** door to open.
Inside a few people roaming around.

I was there with you.

 

[KH56010]

I so wish that this totally predictable outcome did not come to pass. I would like to publicly thank all the people behind the petition for causing the governor to delete 3 weeks of sales as the only logical response to the petition.

The MA constitution (had anyone read it) was very clear that she could do this at anytime and effectively nullify the petition efforts. It also says we have until 30 days AFTER the law goes into effect to submit such a petition. Had you all waited to start this until a little later, you still would have gotten in the petition and your vote, but we would not have forced her to make the law effective before 10/23 to counter your move. Thinking she would not counter the petition...

So thank you. My 3 weeks of inventory also thanks you.

So, she signs it tomorrow (who knows what time). Are you open tomorrow selling inventory or is everyone in the Mill of the opinion that 10/2 is closed for business? I would imagine that if she signs it tomorrow that it couldn't possibly be enforceable for at least a calendar day. Most people don't live on NES following emergency preambles.

 

[zevana]

I so wish that this totally predictable outcome did not come to pass. I would like to publicly thank all the people behind the petition for causing the governor to delete 3 weeks of sales as the only logical response to the petition.

The MA constitution (had anyone read it) was very clear that she could do this at anytime and effectively nullify the petition efforts. It also says we have until 30 days AFTER the law goes into effect to submit such a petition. Had you all waited to start this until a little later, you still would have gotten in the petition and your vote, but we would not have forced her to make the law effective before 10/23 to counter your move. Thinking she would not counter the petition...

So thank you. My 3 weeks of inventory also thanks you.

Which gun shop do you run? You can probably sell off a ton of inventory.

 

[milktree]

They can (evidently) do whatever they want to. That said, are you arguing that, absent the budget bill, Ch. 135 Ch. 74 would NOT have gone into effect on an emergency preamble?

I'm not talking about when they get around to amending the chapter language, or selective enforcement , or any of that after-the-fact nonsense. If Section 59 (159? 51?) was not included in the budget bill, and she signed a preamble tomorrow, are you saying that the training requirements would not be enforceable (on paper, at least) on Thursday morning?

I honestly am having trouble saying this more clearly:

1) There was a bill. It was signed into law. It goes into effect 90 days after its signing. (10/23)

a) the bill had typos in it. The legislature fixed those typos in it. One of the fixed typos changed the effective date of the training requirement (SECTION 74 / §131P) from 10/23/24 to 3/23/26

i) the governor had a tantrum because there was some chance that we might get a bunch of signatures and turned the "90 days" into "over two years" (after the initiative goes down in flames) and signed (is going to sign) an emergency preamble turning the 90 days into "right now"

(i) had nothing to do with (1) or (a).

(a) was going to happen regardless. The only effect an/the emergency preamble has on the training requirements is that it makes them effective 3/2/26 instead of 3/23/26. It's 18 months from tomorrow rather than 18 months from 10/23. That difference is a nothingburger.


But yes, if they had not fixed the typos in C.135 fixing the effective date of SECTION 74, AND she signs the emergency preamble, then education would be dead in the water as soon as she signs it. But that's not really an interesting thing to think about, because it would require time travel and different history to be relevant.

 

[556USER]

If she does sign an emergency preamble it requires that she explain/justify why.

What has changed? It wasn't necessary when she signed the bill originally. It wasn't necessary a month ago... or a week ago... or yesterday.

Why now?

She will make up some BS commie reason and the Mass high court will say it’s good to go. End of story.

 

[556USER]

Rescinding any gun ban is not the "will of the people" in MA.

Absolutely this. The vast majority of the sheep in MA are not on the side of gun owners.

 

[556USER]

Yup. It's all good. Nothing to see here. Maura is super cool, she is even pro hunting. (Sarcasm).

Pro beaver hunting for sure.

 

[kalash]

Her office probably gets off to grown men calling begging her to not do this

"Pleeeease don't start raping us earlier than scheduled!"

 

[HARRYM]

"A republic if you can keep it" Benjamin Franklin​

We were formed as a Constitutional Republic governed by a Bill of Rights that clearly states the rights of all Americans.

We now have Communists in this country who want the Constitution done away with and have a surprising number of supporters behind them.

If the Leftist Healey, or any other elected official and or Judge, can wipe away with the stroke of a pen any part of the Bill of Rights, they expose this country to living by their will, their beliefs, and none of it follows any law except the law of Left Wing fanatics.

When you listen to the stooge Kerry whining the First Amendment is in their way the madness of the Left is out there for all to see.

All Communist Countries learned decades ago that you control the masses by controlling the schools and the media.

We have all watched this evolve here in the US.

Roll up your sleeves and dig in, it's gonna be a very long fight but they brought it to us, we can't back down.

 

[pastera]

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It says THIS RULING only applies to switchblade knives, BUT, there may be FUTURE RULINGS.

Just like Heller only applied to handguns in the home because that's the question that was answered.

Canjura answers the question is a switchblade a protected arm.
It then creates a framework of tests to determine if that arm is "dangerous and unusual" under Bruen.

The framework is general and applicable to firearms.
Canjura is binding on the lower courts.
Therefore, the lower courts must show that the ban on enumerated arms must pass Canjura's framework in order to pass constitutional muster.
And since assault weapons bans aren't common, and the majority of arms listed are very common in the majority of states, our ASF ban will fail

 

[Knob Creek]

Whose going to tell the FUDD hunters with FID cards that their semi auto shotguns now make them felons in waiting?

 

[pastera]

I would read the actual ruling and the tests employed, pastera has done a good job at distilling this, vs a search AI summary.

This
Everyone would do themselves a great favor by reading Canjura.
It may take an hour or two to read but it packs an enormous amount of 2a jurisprudence in a relatively easy to read opinion.
At leat skim through and read the framework for common use.

 

[pastera]

She will make up some BS commie reason and the Mass high court will say it’s good to go. End of story.

This
She doesn't need any more reason than for the "good of the state"

We cannot fight the preamble.

 

[pastera]

Whose going to tell the FUDD hunters with FID cards that their semi auto shotguns now make them felons in waiting?

Whose going to tell the FUDD hunters with FID cards that their semi auto shotguns now make them felons in waiting?

You'll know when they hear about it when they start whining that we didn't do enough to keep their rights safe.
But not until they turn in all of their semiauto shotguns.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Wait, wat? The amount of work you need to do is way more than you have to pay for Anderson;s at the mill

Getting an 80% is not about less work.

Also, some people enjoy the work.

 

[AJK129]

I picked a bad week to start looking into custom 1911s. I blame @jkelly1229

 

[Broc Tuah]

I’m going to sell my butthole to Maura and her gang for two+ days notice before the preamble can be signed. I’m doing it for my people on NES!

For those wondering, go look at the post physique thread.

Dat

 

[Broc Tuah]

I picked a bad week to start looking into custom 1911s. I blame @jkelly1229

Less money on custom BS, more money on training and ammo.

 

[AJK129]

Less money on custom BS, more money on training and ammo.

I really only want it because I cant have it. I always (almost always) choose the training

 

[MAJoe]

Whose going to tell the FUDD hunters with FID cards that their semi auto shotguns now make them felons in waiting?

I think that term is generous. Felon in waiting was used to describe the legal limbo of “we choose not to prosecute 20 years of legal sales”. Call it what it is, when the law is effective they are straight up felons. Period. There is no grace period or legal gray area.