Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

[Broc Tuah]

It’s interesting to see people here screaming they won’t comply with the new registration requirements and then consensus that people are going to still do FA10s even thought that system is completely dead per the law.

Not saying you shouldn’t do them to document a transfer, just an observation.

The way I see it, when buying a complete firearm, in MA, you should expect for some paper record. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I know, it s*cks, but won't change a thing by getting mad at it.

If you bought parts of a gun, let's say 3 weeks ago, and are assembling it today, when the law is in effect, then there is no need to FA10 it.

So, those that don't want to FA10 a build, don't have to PER THE LAW. Those that want, still can.

It will be up to each individual.

it is important to also note the change in Assault Weapon and what else can be done that before couldn't.

 

[Broc Tuah]

The trick about noncompliance is that you have to find another non-complyer.

I'm perfectly willing to do a sale or trade without a paper trail, but I am aware that the other guy probably isn't. So if I insist on my noncompliance, I don't make a sale.

It's about whether I'd rather make the deal, or rather signal my virtue.

It is not NON COMPLIANCE if it isn't in the law. At that point the buyer wouldn't be "complying" with anything. The buyer would just be doing extra paperwork for the sake of pant sh*tting.

 

[Noreaster]

Well i feel safer today, how about you guys?

 

[Picton]

It is not NON COMPLIANCE if it isn't in the law. At that point the buyer wouldn't be "complying" with anything. The buyer would just be doing extra paper work for the sake of pant sh*tting.

No, I get that, but the fact remains: if he wants to do the FA10 and I don't, he backs out and I don't get my deal done.

Most of the time, when I'm in the market as a buyer or a seller, my motivation is to get the deal done. The "extra paperwork" is a thing, but by this time I've done so many EFA10s that it hardly even registers anymore.

No pun intended, lol.

 

[Broc Tuah]

No, I get that, but the fact remains: if he wants to do the FA10 and I don't, he backs out and I don't get my deal done.

Most of the time, when I'm in the market as a buyer or a seller, my motivation is to get the deal done. The "extra paperwork" is a thing, but by this time I've done so many EFA10s that it hardly even registers anymore.

No pun intended, lol.

If I was selling and the buyer wants an EFA10. I wouldn't care and would do it. Takes 2 minutes and as the seller I have nothing to lose.

 

[Broc Tuah]

How long before we see official “guidance” saying that the efa10 system still needs to be used in the interim?

It is not the law so they can say whatever they want.

 

[milktree]

MAURA T. HEALEY
Governor
KIMBERLY DRISCOLL

TO: Law Enforcement Agencies, Licensing Authorities, Licensed Firearms Dealers, Firearms
Instructors, LTC and FID holders, and all other Interested Parties
FROM: The Executive Office of Public Safety and Security
DATE: October 2, 2024
RE: An Act Modernizing Firearm Laws

Please be advised that Chapter 135 of the Acts of 2024, An Act Modernizing Firearm Laws,
will become effective on October 2, 2024. Pursuant to the Act, firearms dealers may continue to
sell firearms that are listed on Commonwealth approved rosters, which may be found at the
following link:

https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters

Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and
rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from
the Firearms Control Advisory Board.

This is further evidence that the state just makes shit up and calls it law.

example:

• The law does not allow the sale of any firearm that is not on the roster.
• Rifles and shotguns are firearms.
• There are no rifles or shotguns on the "approved firearms roster", and no shotguns or rifles would pass the required tests to get on the roster.
• Nothing in 501 CMR 7.00 exempts rifles or shotguns from the requirements of C.140 §122(o)

example 2:

• C. 140 §131P says, "... provided, however, that persons possessing a firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the implementation of live firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement. "
• EOPSS guidance letter says, "Individuals issued an FID or LTC during this period (August 1, 2024 - effective date of section 74) will not be required to take a new BFS course, including the live fire component, until they seek to renew their FID or LTC."

But the new law does not require FA10?

Or is that only for builds?

FA10 does not exist in current law anymore. There is no requirement to FA10 anything.

Why is a frame transfer necessary if a Glock gun is on the roster?

The AG's consumer protection regs are still around. The AG's regs only apply to guns that can go "bang"

I missed this. FID holders can't do f2f anymore?

They can. You just have to make sure to not sell a semi-auto to someone who only has an FID.

 

[Broc Tuah]

pfft. bikini tops are for uptight people. go topless damnit. I dread the jeep wave on the road too. WTF people. Just drive and enjoy your jeep. Same with riding my bikes. Can I not go by 50 bikes on the road an not have to do the wave?!?! I mean if it is you Dave I would wave and drop my top...but you are "special"

It is part of the gay culture. That is what you get with a Jeep.

 

[Love Machine]

So according to the message above inly chaoter 135 is in effect? Did she sign the preamble or not?

 

[Broc Tuah]

I have a rifle I bring out when people are annoying lol

I have a couple of revolvers I bring out when people are getring too close.

 

[bigred460]

So according to the message above inly chaoter 135 is in effect? Did she sign the preamble or not?

Yes she signed it.

 

[Broc Tuah]

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The smiley faces come off at 12:01am tomorrow...View attachment 923368

I am ready to FAP. Don't keep me waiting.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Let's assume an injunction is placed on this whole thing, and people already unpined their stocks and cracked their muzzle brakes.

Would an injunction mean we go back to the old law?

 

[pastera]

I'm under the impression that FID license holders cannot posses or sell a semi auto.

Their only legal option is police turn in or have an LTC holder escort to an FFL to sell at a serious loss.

 

[EJFudd]

Well i feel safer today, how about you guys?

Not feeling safer, but life in MA sure does feel different this morning. As much as one could prepare for this hit on the US Constitution, the media and political lies that got us here are still the most disturbing aspect of it. If the people really knew and understood all that the Legislature was doing to us with this law, it might have ended very differently.

 

[pastera]

Let's assume an injunction is placed on this whole thing, and people already unpined their stocks and cracked their muzzle brakes.

Would an injunction mean we go back to the old law?

No, an injunction doesn't reverse the change in law. It invalidates the law.

 

[Broc Tuah]

No, an injunction doesn't reverse the change in law. It invalidates the law.

So then we basically become a FREE State?

That is awesome.

I could finally be as happy as UZI2.

 

[Chappy7]

The way I see it, when buying a complete firearm, in MA, you should expect for some paper record. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I know, it s*cks, but won't change a thing by getting mad at it.

If you bought parts of a gun, let's say 3 weeks ago, and are assembling it today, when the law is in effect, then there is no need to FA10 it.

So, those that don't want to FA10 a build, don't have to PER THE LAW. Those that want, still can.

It will be up to each individual.

it is important to also note the change in Assault Weapon and what else can be done that before couldn't.

We're in uncharted territory now. The EFA10 portal does not exist under the new law and the registry won't be live for a "year". Do what you're comfortable with on both ends of a sale.

 

[paul73]

Their only legal option is police turn in or have an LTC holder escort to an FFL to sell at a serious loss.

Too sad evening news did not say a word about it all, to all those felons in waiting.
Most people simply know nothing about it all.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Probably a stupid question, but this is NES, so here we go:

Why would someone still have an FID when getting an LTC is, or was, relatively simple (ignoring the wait because it shouldn't matter to someone that was happy with an FID)?

What was the advantage?

 

[not new guy]

Probably a stupid question, but this is NES, so here we go:

Why would someone still have an FID when getting an LTC is, or was, relatively simple (ignoring the wait because it shouldn't matter to someone that was happy with an FID)?

What was the advantage?

No advantage, only ignorance.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Too sad evening news did not say a word about it all, to all those felons in waiting.
Most people simply know nothing about it all.

It was on the news (4 anyways) this morning, included statement from GOAL/Jim.

 

[HARRYM]

Emergency Preamble

1. Firearms
2. First Amendment
3. MAGA
4. Fourth Amendment

The Left is drooling over the possibilities.

 

[Marty McFly]

Probably a stupid question, but this is NES, so here we go:

Why would someone still have an FID when getting an LTC is, or was, relatively simple (ignoring the wait because it shouldn't matter to someone that was happy with an FID)?

What was the advantage?

Age is a factor

 

[AJK129]

So then we basically become a FREE State?

That is awesome.

I could finally be as happy as UZI2.

Happiness is a choice, as long as @Picton chooses to be happy, im happy

 

[HARRYM]

Fond to think back when Andrea Campbell and Maura Healey were running and I said they will shut down dealers and pretty much ban most handguns and semis. Some said here goes HarryM pants shitting again.....

Good Times......

 

[pastera]

This is further evidence that the state just makes shit up and calls it law.

example:

• The law does not allow the sale of any firearm that is not on the roster.
• Rifles and shotguns are firearms.
• There are no rifles or shotguns on the "approved firearms roster", and no shotguns or rifles would pass the required tests to get on the roster.
• Nothing in 501 CMR 7.00 exempts rifles or shotguns from the requirements of C.140 §122(o)

example 2:

• C. 140 §131P says, "... provided, however, that persons possessing a firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the implementation of live firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement. "
• EOPSS guidance letter says, "Individuals issued an FID or LTC during this period (August 1, 2024 - effective date of section 74) will not be required to take a new BFS course, including the live fire component, until they seek to renew their FID or LTC."

A plain reading of the training requirements leads me to believe that until the training is implemented, any LTC/FID issued is renewable without future expansion of training.
The law exempts license holders from the new requirements prior to implementation - that training has not been implemented nor is it required to be implemented for 18 months.
Therefore, no retraining can LEGALLY be required except on those new applicants that apply prior to release of the new training and when their license is issued. That said, a large number of departments are going to force retraining but it won't be a legal requirement.

 

[milktree]

A plain reading of the training requirements leads me to believe that until the training is implemented, any LTC/FID issued is renewable without future expansion of training.
The law exempts license holders from the new requirements prior to implementation - that training has not been implemented nor is it required to be implemented for 18 months.
Therefore, no retraining can LEGALLY be required except on those new applicants that apply prior to release of the new training and when their license is issued. That said, a large number of departments are going to force retraining but it won't be a legal requirement.

I can easily see that there will be further EOPSS guidance in the next six years correcting their misreading and removing that requirement.

 

[pastera]

So then we basically become a FREE State?

That is awesome.

I could finally be as happy as UZI2.

Depends on what the injunction contains.
First - even though Mass courts are bound by Bruen and Canjura, I doubt they will issue a preliminary injunction.

However, if one is issued it will likely be issued against the ASF crap.
LCFD is still a question given the SJC's questions and comments during oral arguments in Canjura.

 

[dezignguy]

One of the side effects of this law is the loss of revenue to the Div. of Fish and Wildlife. I heard an estimate of over 9 million over the next two years. That will pretty much end the Pheasent Stocking Program.

I think what you mean is EPO’s with have to pay for their own divorces in the future.