Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

[pastera]

Probably a stupid question, but this is NES, so here we go:

Why would someone still have an FID when getting an LTC is, or was, relatively simple (ignoring the wait because it shouldn't matter to someone that was happy with an FID)?

What was the advantage?

May/Shall issue

Even after Bruen the state still treats LTC as may issue

 

[Broc Tuah]

May/Shall issue

Even after Bruen the state still treats LTC as may issue

Really?

Which PD was treating them as "MAY"? ... because even Boston and Lowell changed to "shall" as far as I am aware. Boston proactively reached out to people and removed restrictions.

 

[OnTheRoad]

Stop playing the FA10 game if you don't have to. Why do you make THEIR work easier?

If you want a paper trail, easy. Write up a paragraph, "On (date) I, (name) transfer ownership of (make and model of gun), serial number (serial number) to (name of recipient) who has shown they are not a prohibited person by displaying MA LTC #(LTC #)." You both sign it. Tuck a copy away someplace safe.

There you go. LTC indicates they aren't a prohibited person. Your name, their name, date. No mention of any money changing hands because that's nobody's f'in business. If someday the gun is found at the bottom of a clock tower, you dig this paper up and tell the inquisition to move along.

 

[pastera]

Really?

Which PD was treating them as "MAY"? ... because even Boston and Lowell changed to "shall" as far as I am aware. Boston proactively reached out to people and removed restrictions.

There is a difference between issue and revocation
An FID must be revoked for cause.
Not so with an LTC.

 

[Chappy7]

Happiness is a choice, as long as @Picton chooses to be happy, im happy

@Picton is always Happy!

 

[drgrant]

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I missed this. FID holders can't do f2f anymore?

I should have been more clear, the new law ends up ultimately restricting to a greater degree what those people can buy and sell. The greater point being that nothing really chages for privsales unless one of the parties happens to be an unlucky FID holder.

 

[FisherTech]

I think what you mean is EPO’s with have to pay for their own divorces in the future.

Time for you to become educated on who the EPO's work for. The EPO's "Do NOT" work under F&W. They work under the auspices of the Executive Office of Environment and Energy. I know there are many of you that make that ignorant ASSUMPTION

 

[vicorjh]

Not feeling safer, but life in MA sure does feel different this morning.

It's not illegal to be illegal.



Feels good to be gangsta.

 

[drgrant]

It is not NON COMPLIANCE if it isn't in the law. At that point the buyer wouldn't be "complying" with anything. The buyer would just be doing extra paperwork for the sake of pant sh*tting.

While this is true good luck deprogramming people on this. At a bare minimum you would probably have to waste more time explaining how the FA10 language was deleted than it would take to just fill out the FA10. Actually if somebody is playing by old rules the buyer shouldn't even give a shit but the seller is the one you would have to convince because they were the one obligated to file. It's only a matter of time before the state goes full faggot and tells everybody they need to keep using the stupid EFA 10 system anyways even if the law actually deletes it.

 

[mattr0]

Time for you to become educated on who the EPO's work for. The EPO's "Do NOT" work under F&W. They work under the auspices of the Executive Office of Environment and Energy. I know there are many of you that make that ignorant ASSUMPTION

So does the F&W department.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Yet again, government shows that it does it's worst work fast. Sometimes we complain that the government works too slowly. "Why can't this just get done."

Because expediency means some tyrant later can use the same method to remove your rights.

I'm sure when they laid out this Emergency Preamble bullspit, it was "well, the governor will know if there is an emergency." It was DESIGNED for things like providing $ for emergency relief and things like that. No one EVER thought it would be used in this manner.

I get it. Well meaning lawmakers of the past wanted a safety valve. Because if we needed $ for disaster relief - maybe another Molasses Flood or something - no one had to wait 60 days or whatever.

Ask Senate Democraps how that whole "let's throw out a century of precedent in appointing judges to vote whomever we want whenever we want" thing went when the GOP senate pulled the same thing. "YOU CAN'T DO THAT! ONLY WE CAN!" LOL. Wrong B-words.

As much as I hate this whole 2A crawl, it's absolutely vital. Fast government is BAD government.

 

[FisherTech]

So does the F&W department.

You point being What? FAKERS and WANKERS have no supervision or control of the EPO's

 

[Dennis in MA]

Really?

Which PD was treating them as "MAY"? ... because even Boston and Lowell changed to "shall" as far as I am aware. Boston proactively reached out to people and removed restrictions.

I'm pretty sure people are still getting static. Maybe not city-wide, but there should be no static. Fill out form. If form is correct and fee paid and background check success, issue license - Hasty-pronto!

 

[1903Collector]

What about ammo sales? Do I have to give stool sample for a box of .22s?

 

[Chappy7]

What about ammo sales? Do I have to give stool sample for a box of .22s?

 

[pastera]

What about ammo sales? Do I have to give stool sample for a box of .22s?

The dealer simply needs to write the sale down.

 

[LuvDog]

Probably a stupid question, but this is NES, so here we go:

Why would someone still have an FID when getting an LTC is, or was, relatively simple (ignoring the wait because it shouldn't matter to someone that was happy with an FID)?

What was the advantage?

Well my son who was 15 at the time could only get an FID. When he turns 21 then he’ll get an LTC

 

[drgrant]

Yet again, government shows that it does it's worst work fast. Sometimes we complain that the government works too slowly. "Why can't this just get done."

Because expediency means some tyrant later can use the same method to remove your rights.

I'm sure when they laid out this Emergency Preamble bullspit, it was "well, the governor will know if there is an emergency." It was DESIGNED for things like providing $ for emergency relief and things like that. No one EVER thought it would be used in this manner.

I get it. Well meaning lawmakers of the past wanted a safety valve. Because if we needed $ for disaster relief - maybe another Molasses Flood or something - no one had to wait 60 days or whatever.

Ask Senate Democraps how that whole "let's throw out a century of precedent in appointing judges to vote whomever we want whenever we want" thing went when the GOP senate pulled the same thing. "YOU CAN'T DO THAT! ONLY WE CAN!" LOL. Wrong B-words.

As much as I hate this whole 2A crawl, it's absolutely vital. Fast government is BAD government.

Most laws are not written as poorly as MA gun law. You keep forgetting that these people were basically a bunch of moonbats performing a circle jerk and furiously signing whatever pile of garbage was thrown in front of them.

MA has the most incompetent tyranny when it comes to shit laws. And the results are generally delicious as a result. this is not a new thing.

 

[LuvDog]

What are FFLs going to do after today when they sell a firearm? Will they be completing FA10’s?

 

[bigbravehog]

A plain reading of the training requirements leads me to believe that until the training is implemented, any LTC/FID issued is renewable without future expansion of training.
The law exempts license holders from the new requirements prior to implementation - that training has not been implemented nor is it required to be implemented for 18 months.
Therefore, no retraining can LEGALLY be required except on those new applicants that apply prior to release of the new training and when their license is issued. That said, a large number of departments are going to force retraining but it won't be a legal requirement.

I'm meeting with the firearms officer next week for my renewal. He is very pro 2A so it will be interesting what he may have to say.

 

[1903Collector]

The dealer simply needs to write the sale down.

So when the new super duper system goes online whenever that is will they need to input all sales made between now and then?

 

[DJBrad]

I can easily see that there will be further EOPSS guidance in the next six years correcting their misreading and removing that requirement.

Based on our mistrust of them I suggest we all save a copy of the bill so that we can crosscheck any shenanigans.

Session Law - Acts of 2024 Chapter 135

malegislature.gov

 

[pastera]

I'm meeting with the firearms officer next week for my renewal. He is very pro 2A so it will be interesting what he may have to say.

You are squarely in the exempt camp

 

[bigbravehog]

Most laws are not written as poorly as MA gun law. You keep forgetting that these people were basically a bunch of moonbats performing a circle jerk and furiously signing whatever pile of garbage was thrown in front of them.

MA has the most incompetent tyranny when it comes to shit laws. And the results are generally delicious as a result. this is not a new thing.

this illegal has more rights than we do

 

[Marty McFly]

this illegal has more rights than we do

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Stolen Valor. I can confirm he is not kobe bryant

 

[pastera]

So when the new super duper system goes online whenever that is will they need to input all sales made between now and then?

Who knows - I don't put it past them.
Recording ammo sales gives zero information necessary to solve crimes.
The only thing it could be used for is to detect unregistered firearms with a person buying ammo for a caliber the state doesn't know they own.

 

[Picton]

Too sad evening news did not say a word about it all, to all those felons in waiting.
Most people simply know nothing about it all.

Uhhh...

It was on the news (4 anyways) this morning, included statement from GOAL/Jim.

NBC10 gave it extensive coverage all yesterday afternoon, including both viewpoints. They interviewed that Senate hag, and Maura, and the dude from Cape Gun Works. They did mention that her preamble was controversial because it short-circuited the petition. All of that got coverage multiple times yesterday.

I swear, the people here who claim to know what the MSM is saying, then misrepresent it completely, are as bad as the MSM themselves.

What are FFLs going to do after today when they sell a firearm? Will they be completing FA10’s?

I'm very curious about this myself. I can see the transfer portal is still a thing, and I can believe it goes through same as it always has... but if there is now a situation in this state where it's legal to FTF firearms without an EFA10, then all anyone has to do in the future when there's any question about gun ownership is to shrug and say, "yeah, I bought that from an LTC holder on the 3rd of October 2024. His name? No, I don't remember. Sorry."

And there won't be any way TPTB can check that.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Really?

Which PD was treating them as "MAY"? ... because even Boston and Lowell changed to "shall" as far as I am aware. Boston proactively reached out to people and removed restrictions.

I know three people who've been waiting since April on a first time application, and I've been since July on a renewal, because towns continue to slow walk and blame it on "the state" or "too much workload".

"I have like 50 of them on my desk that I need to schedule delivery."

Really? That's what, an hour of work? Look in your files, and send 50 emails (or leave 50 VMs) to the effect of: "This is [say your name] from the [say your town] PD. Your LTC is ready and will be waiting at the front desk. Please come pick it up at your earliest convenience." I'll do it for free; lemme at 'em.

 

[milktree]

I know three people who've been waiting since April on a first time application, and I've been since July on a renewal, because towns continue to slow walk and blame it on "the state" or "too much workload".

"I have like 50 of them on my desk that I need to schedule delivery."

Really? That's what, an hour of work? Look in your files, and send 50 emails (or leave 50 VMs) to the effect of: "This is [say your name] from the [say your town] PD. Your LTC is ready and will be waiting at the front desk. Please come pick it up at your earliest convenience." I'll do it for free; lemme at 'em.

Billerica is turning around first time applicants in less than three weeks. "it's the state" is such an easily disprovable lie.

 

[VigilantesLiberi]

I know three people who've been waiting since April on a first time application, and I've been since July on a renewal, because towns continue to slow walk and blame it on "the state" or "too much workload".

"I have like 50 of them on my desk that I need to schedule delivery."

Really? That's what, an hour of work? Look in your files, and send 50 emails (or leave 50 VMs) to the effect of: "This is [say your name] from the [say your town] PD. Your LTC is ready and will be waiting at the front desk. Please come pick it up at your earliest convenience." I'll do it for free; lemme at 'em.

Town dependent, as you probably know by now. There is no backup anymore. I know, mine took 6 weeks, my wife applied later, but got hers at the same time, or about 3-4 weeks. So there was a spike around 8/1, but now it's clear. I read about people getting their first LTC in as little as 3 weeks in the past month on reddit.