First school shooting of the fall

It's something like 75% of all mass shootings in America history have happened over the last 10 years.

As a SPC geek I would raise my hand and call an out of control chart.

This stat is where the root cause must be investigated and determined why.
 
Barrow County Deputies Dawson Matherly, Matt Cook, and Brandon King make up the school resource officer team for Apalachee High School, according to the school’s Facebook page.
According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigations, Deputy Brandon King and Sgt. Chase Boyd were at the school that day. Boyd is a school resource officer at Bethlehem Elementary School. Deputy Matherly’s mother confirmed he was at the school.
"...active shooter training helped prevent further deaths."
Records show each deputy on the SRO team completed school safety and active shooter response training in July. Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith confirmed the armed SROs worked together to confront the shooter and got him to surrender.

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School resource officers at Apalachee High School hailed as heroes after shooting

Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith confirmed the armed SROs worked together to confront the shooter and got him to surrender.
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Maxrobot said:
www.wsbtv.com

15-year-old arrested after threatening to ‘finish the job’ after Apalachee High School shooting

The threats were made on the bus just hours after the deadly shooting.
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Tons of angry, confused kids out there, pumped to the gills with drugs since they were probably 5.

I remember when I was growing up my older neighbor telling me that he was on his school’s shooting team in the late 50’s, and he would carry his rifle to school and put it in his locker when he got there. This was all over the country with very few incidents. Something changed. My tinfoil hat makes me think that the drug companies know the side effects of these drugs. I’m surprised one of these drug companies hasn’t been named in a suit.
 
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HorizontalHunter said:
GMAFB. I bought my 1st gun at 15 and my 11 year old niece was safer and a better shot than most adult males.

Age has nothing to do with it.
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This
There’s nothing wrong with gifting a gun to a child. There’s A LOT wrong with gifting a gun to a child just a few months after the fbi has to interview you about the kid making school shooting threats.
 
lancecolonel said:
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There’s nothing wrong with gifting a gun to a child. There’s A LOT wrong with gifting a gun to a child just a few months after the fbi has to interview you about the kid making school shooting threats.
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What I don’t understand is that the feds said that they traced the online threat to the kid, he denied it, and the cops interviewing him just said, “oh, ok, just make sure you behave, you little scamp!” I have to think that the online threat at the very least gave them cause to bring the kid in and do a psych hold on him at least?
 
Picton said:
We TRULY don't know.

Twitter or other SM screen grabs should not be used as "evidence" of anything in 2024, especially if they're too good to be true when it comes to backing an agenda. They're just way too easy to fake.
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Except for the profile appearing to be created in August and the shooting occurring in September
DJBrad said:
What’s the join date? There have been a huge amount of sock accounts associated with Gray.
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looks like August but who knows if it’s photoshopped
 
TJ4 said:
Tons of angry, confused kids out there, pumped to the gills with drugs since they were probably 5.
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It's not the drugs, it's the helicopter parenting. Starting with children Gen X'ers, it's a unicorn that knows how to cope. With anything. Stereotyping for sure but they are overprotected by their parents, never hear the word no or learn what a day of work is like. They watch their phones all day with reels of people their own age dripping in luxury while they look and the mirror and wonder why they aren't getting the same, even though they are. Add encouraged gender confusion, single parent homes and too much lazy time on their hands and the result of that is kids that lash out when they approach an obstacle.
 
pastera said:
How about we do a better job with the money the schools already get.

Private schools produce a better student on average for less money

It's usually not the teachers, it the administration and failure to manage costs.

And parents need to stop relying on government schools to raise their children.
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It's a good sound byte, but doesn't actually pass the sniff test.

Comparing public/private is like comparing apples and oranges. Private schools do better because they limit the class sizes. Don't find too many private schools with more than a couple hundred kids. The results is that the student to teacher ratio is like 15:1.

Public schools can't do that. You can't make every public school look/act like a private school because there are simply too many kids. The result is that you need to staff them appropriately and give them the resources the need.
 
TJ4 said:
What I don’t understand is that the feds said that they traced the online threat to the kid, he denied it, and the cops interviewing him just said, “oh, ok, just make sure you behave, you little scamp!” I have to think that the online threat at the very least gave them cause to bring the kid in and do a psych hold on him at least?
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TrackDayRdr said:
But we have to do something. Anything is better than just leaving the door open in the morning to whomever cares to stroll in with whatever. The few times I had to pick up my kids early from school it was like Ft. Knox. I had to buzz in after they viewed me on camera and even still I was not able to go past the secretary. My GF works for the school district and even she has to buzz in using credentials with no other doors left unlocked at any school. Doesn't seem like such a stretch to imagine it would take much more to harden an already good system effectively.

How about this: make the administration responsible for any sneak-ins.

An anti-gun friend of mine said the onus for responsibility and correction of the gun problems has to come from gun owners. While I don't entirely agree with that statement, his idea that if we don't come up with something the antis will seems to be what is about to happen.

PS - fat chance we are going to get the MA law revoked in a referendum vote after this mess.
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Don't buy into the hysteria. You are more likely to win the powerball.
 
TJ4 said:
What I don’t understand is that the feds said that they traced the online threat to the kid, he denied it, and the cops interviewing him just said, “oh, ok, just make sure you behave, you little scamp!” I have to think that the online threat at the very least gave them cause to bring the kid in and do a psych hold on him at least?
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So, you are all in favor of red-flag laws then? Because that's what a red-flag law is designed to do.

Edit: I'm not against red-flag laws in principle. But the avenue of abuse is 16 lanes wide.
 
weekendracer said:
So, you are all in favor of red-flag laws then? Because that's what a red-flag law is designed to do.

Edit: I'm not against red-flag laws in principle. But the avenue of abuse is 16 lanes wide.
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I understood that he was making specific terroristic threats that they traced back to him, and they should have been able to charge him with and at least get him a psyche evaluation, not just him acting weird and a family member or teacher red flagging him and then swooping in based on that alone.
 
weekendracer said:
So, you are all in favor of red-flag laws then? Because that's what a red-flag law is designed to do.

Edit: I'm not against red-flag laws in principle. But the avenue of abuse is 16 lanes wide.
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And yellow flag orders are worse as the avenue of abuse is as wide as the gulf. If one person’s constitutional rights are denied it’s one to many

You can most certianly count on Massachusetts abusing the crap out of any gun law. Look at how the wife of Rich C’s friend has been treated.
 
They're prosecuting the father for murder for allowing the kid to have a gun unsupervised. This tactic already worked with the Crowley case in MIchigan.

I wonder how it would work in MA if the shooter was a 15 year old kid who had an FID, had access to properly and legally stored guns (locked case or trigger lock, etc.), and used a gun covered by the FID. Would the fact that the state licensed the kid to unsupervised possession of low capacity long guns provide any defense? Would the parental consent to the issuance of an FID pose any legal exposure?
 
HorizontalHunter said:
Amen.

When we used to set up the metal detectors (inner city school) damn near every student set it off with their jewelry and had to be wanded. It took forever to get them in and there were always some students that would run out back and open the doors to let their friends in. It’s like herding cats.
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I had this really nice woman who is kind of like goth she had chains all over. This is right when I got hired I didn’t feel comfortable Asking her to take her pants off.

It all comes back to appropriate work attire. But if you say anything, you’ll wind up in HR real quick.
 
Palladin said:
I received a 20ga, single shot Ithaca Supersling shotgun for my 12th birthday.

I still have it
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I got my 22 chipmunk when I was seven for my first communion.. got my 20 gauge when I was 11 still in the safe hasn’t hurt anybody or managed to take out a deer yet..

My mom always had 45 on her nightstand Sure my brothers have given each other some black eyes, but I don’t remember anyone going off the deep end.. sure we used to take them monopoly pieces and shoot at each other out of crossbows, but typical teenager stuff…


One time this 18-year-old shot my younger brother with a BB gun. I’ll give you two guesses what my mother did about that.
 
mcf84check said:
It's a good sound byte, but doesn't actually pass the sniff test.

Comparing public/private is like comparing apples and oranges. Private schools do better because they limit the class sizes. Don't find too many private schools with more than a couple hundred kids. The results is that the student to teacher ratio is like 15:1.

Public schools can't do that. You can't make every public school look/act like a private school because there are simply too many kids. The result is that you need to staff them appropriately and give them the resources the need.
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No - I know of multiple private schools with 20-25 kids in a classroom.
Now if you are talking elite private schools the low class size is likely true but those aren't cheaper than a public school either.

If you want to look at the key metric look at parental involvement. Kids in private schools tend to have parents who emphasize and promote education.

Public schools have moved away from education towards socialization and indoctrination. Pretty much day care for adolescents.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
They're prosecuting the father for murder for allowing the kid to have a gun unsupervised. This tactic already worked with the Crowley case in MIchigan.

I wonder how it would work in MA if the shooter was a 15 year old kid who had an FID, had access to properly and legally stored guns (locked case or trigger lock, etc.), and used a gun covered by the FID. Would the fact that the state licensed the kid to unsupervised possession of low capacity long guns provide any defense? Would the parental consent to the issuance of an FID pose any legal exposure?
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If they’re going to go that route, I would love to see them start charging the parents of every under 18 gang banger in Chicago who commits a crime with a firearm.
 
TJ4 said:
If they’re going to go that route, I would love to see them start charging the parents of every under 18 gang banger in Chicago who commits a crime with a firearm.
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But those cases would involve allowing a child to possess an illegal firearm.

The prosecutions are reserved for cases where the minor's possession is legal.
 

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