Frame FA-10 in light of upcoming vote on H.4139

[CrackPot]

How does one prove they were lawfully possessed if they don't have a receipt from when they purchased?

Backwards. The state has to prove it was NOT lawfully possessed. Its easily provable by the state issuing a trace request. They will get a full trace including dates of the regulated part being transferred. So they will KNOW when you bought the lower from the trace request.

 

[Mountain]

I already regret this post.

Admitting the problem is the first step...

 

[namedpipes]

Yeah, my main worry is that I was doing a deal back in 2015 and I only did an EFA-8. I'm very concerned the new legislation means the state will now come after me, looking for those other two EFAs.

What should I do, NES? Help me!

@Picton going to jail.

Hope you look good in orange!

 

[MAJoe]

FA-10ing something MEANS NOTHING as it relates to the new law.

The new law requires that all guns are REGISTERED by the true meaning. We do not have registration today. FA10ing something even though they say "registration" is just recording the transaction of you acquiring by means other than from a dealer, ltc or fid holder.

There will be a totally NEW database for registered guns. I believe they have 6 months to hold public hearings and propose the new system and another 6 months to implement it. We then have a year from it being online to actually register everything. That is from memory reading the bill so feel free to fact check me.

So I can think of no reason to FA-10 anything right now because of the bill.

I need to not second guess anything you write. It says possessed on 8/1 and then registered and serialized by the new standards.

 

[alan226]

Backwards. The state has to prove it was NOT lawfully possessed. Its easily provable by the state issuing a trace request. They will get a full trace including dates of the regulated part being transferred. So they will KNOW when you bought the lower from the trace request.

Thanks Randy

 

[paul73]

state has to prove it was NOT lawfully possessed

i`ll believe when i`ll see it.

as others i would expect the proof of legal ownership pre-8/1 to be made as a pre-req for the registration process when they will start forcing people into it. if any of that will ever happen, of course.

 

[CrackPot]

Thanks Randy

I have already lost hours of my life to reading through this bill and digesting what 3rd graders wrote. There are still a bunch of mistakes and unintended consequences throughout the new language. I swear they don't even hire aides that speak english as a first language.

 

[Mountain]

We should just set up a megathread right now for all these tiresome questions. That way, I can just avoid all of them.

Don't forget to start the thread title with "Is It Time for..."

 

[alan226]

I have already lost hours of my life to reading through this bill and digesting what 3rd graders wrote. There are still a bunch of mistakes and unintended consequences throughout the new language. I swear they don't even hire aides that speak english as a first language.

As someone said (probably you) that's a feature, not a bug...

 

[MAJoe]

My open questions remain around lawfully possessed…

Does that mean also registered? There seems to be at least one court case where it was ruled building doesn’t not require FA10. Does it impact post-2016 lowers? Unclear because of the conflicting dates, does a 2019 AR lower built out by 8/1/24 not run afoul of the 2016 copy language here (doesn’t look like it carries any weight because the 8/1 date seems to supersede that entire section) and meet the definition of “lawfully possessed”? Guess we’ll wait and see how this is interpreted.

 

[MAJoe]

As someone said (probably you) that's a feature, not a bug...

Except there are some fun features in here that do benefit us that no one is sharing at the moment.

 

[Mountain]

I guess this is a good thread to ask- NES please help!

Do I try to get ahead of the new law and register my 80% receiver now? I intend to build a wicked cool AR-40 cal. Since we're sharing serial numbers, this one will be 'BROCLUV40'.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Grandpersoning, do not assume the gender...

File a EABOD-10

EABOD-1776-1
EABOD-1776-2

etc.

That is a lot of D for you.

 

[paul73]

get ahead of the new law and register my 80% receiver now?

the whole thing is - you cannot 'register' it now at all, as ef10 is not 'registering'. the whole talk is about what the 'legal possession' thing is _now_ - in relation to those unsavory questionable no good items.

 

[G4Y4HK]

Just buy a Glock off an urban individual in Springfield/Worcester/Lawrence/Lowell/Dorchester/New Bedford/Fall River and you gucci. No need to LEGO dat Glock.

 

[Mountain]

the whole thing is - you cannot 'register' it now at all, as ef10 is not 'registering'. the whole talk is about what the 'legal possession' thing is _now_ - in relation to those unsavory questionable no good items.

One thing for sure- I'll need to expand my canoe rental business.

 

[Mountain]

That is a lot of D for you.

@chris_1001 was inspired by Miki Sudo's technique.

 

[DarkJoker33]

I guess this is a good thread to ask- NES please help!

Do I try to get ahead of the new law and register my 80% receiver now? I intend to build a wicked cool AR-40 cal. Since we're sharing serial numbers, this one will be 'BROCLUV40'.

Hey, don't copy me.
Im thinking of do that with my spikes tactical snowflake unicorn lower
I have all the parts planned out.
But I have to finish my current project first. And maybe my 2nd.

 

[alx]

yeah, i would not care about that. just thinking if i care enough to part with some dough before 8/1 or just let it go. dunno.
need to think it over a bit. i always wanted a staccato, and this will also be an issue, apparently, but those things probably will not make it here before 8/1.
well. too much panic, means it is better to wait it over a bit.

Staccatos are on the roster… and so are other high price tag 1911/2011 guns… focus elsewhere I say

 

[bdb]

Wouldn't the FA10 serve as proof of ownership prior to 8/1? At least that way you have proven you were in legal possession on 8/1. Not that I want to FA10 anything but just thinking through all the various angles. Guida's position seems to be that any post "Maura's decree" in 2016 would be an illegal assault weapon since she told us we couldn't have them. I would think an FA10 now would just be confirming to the state who has the post Maura decree guns. Just thinking through how to handle a couple of lowers and a couple of builds I had planned to complete prior to 8/1.

 

[Agnotology]

I plan on just swapping over my current built out ar parts onto the new lowers. Then they are finished.

 

[drgrant]

Staccatos are on the roster… and so are other high price tag 1911/2011 guns… focus elsewhere I say

Pedestrian handguns frames etc will be movable till 10/23.

 

[Marty McFly]

Pedestrian handguns frames etc will be movable till 10/23.

What about motorist handguns?

Why are all these people going the frame route when a g19 can be had for $800?

 

[drgrant]

I guess this is a good thread to ask- NES please help!

Do I try to get ahead of the new law and register my 80% receiver now? I intend to build a wicked cool AR-40 cal. Since we're sharing serial numbers, this one will be 'BROCLUV40'.

Actually this is a fun question I wonder if the state will be able to reject serial numbers submissions after they're already engraved on the gun?

MAURAISc***001

 

[chris_1001]

Actually this is a fun question I wonder if the state will be able to reject serial numbers submissions after they're already engraved on the gun?

MAURAISc***001

In for a drunken serialization party!

 

[Soundwave]

Is it possible for me to efa11 just so I'm one extra efa'd?

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

Guida's position seems to be that any post "Maura's decree" in 2016 would be an illegal assault weapon since she told us we couldn't have them. I would think an FA10 now would just be confirming to the state who has the post Maura decree guns. Just thinking through how to handle a couple of lowers and a couple of builds I had planned to complete prior to 8/1.

I don't really get this position. If this were true, why wasn't any FFL charged with selling copies and duplicates of an assault weapon in the past 8 years. There have been 8 years of LTC holders filling out efa-10 forms for post 7/20 rifles that meet the feature test, but I have only heard of 1 case being heard.

If what has been happening for 8 years is actually illegal, why did the state watch it happen for so long?

 

[Mountain]

Actually this is a fun question I wonder if the state will be able to reject serial numbers submissions after they're already engraved on the gun?

MAURAISc***001

I was thinking binary or hexadecimal for f#ck you Maura or the like. Either that or engrave "1" on all of them.

 

[chris_1001]

I was thinking binary or hexadecimal for f#ck you Maura or the like. Either that or engrave "1" on all of them.

I called EABOD001 - EABOD1001

 

[groundscrapers]

Wouldn't the FA10 serve as proof of ownership prior to 8/1? At least that way you have proven you were in legal possession on 8/1. Not that I want to FA10 anything but just thinking through all the various angles. Guida's position seems to be that any post "Maura's decree" in 2016 would be an illegal assault weapon since she told us we couldn't have them. I would think an FA10 now would just be confirming to the state who has the post Maura decree guns. Just thinking through how to handle a couple of lowers and a couple of builds I had planned to complete prior to 8/1.

They could sort it with a trace if it was an issue.