Well being civil is key, remind the folks that the folks that maintain stuff have to stop maintaining stuff to clean up trash and fixing broken targets takes away from the plenty of other improvements that are being done. I've had some conversations where the folks don't realize its all volunteer. If you make a suggestion and someone flies off the handle, just let them be and get a good note of what they're driving, time of day etc and the board will be delighted to get involved
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Harvard Sportsmen's Club
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I'll install it - how soon can we get it in?
they didn't know if they had any in stock, nobody on the floor on friday I guess
cpgeneration
NES Member
That is true, but only qualified people at the 2-300 maybe there should be a qual for the 100 to show the super rambo's what to shoot at and how to clean up their shit pile when they are done.
Isn’t that already discussed at the new member orientation? The qualification needs to be to find out if they’re just an a**h*** or not.
quinnjalan
NES Member
Training is definitely needed. I was there the other day and the steel target was on the ground with the chain all shot to $hit. If you can’t hit that steel at 100 you have no business on the 200/300. I was shooting 400 to 500 in the Irish Reserves when I was 17. If you screwed up you got in trouble. If you are deliberately shooting the chains then you need to go find another club. Perhaps I’m turning into an old grumpy man, but many of the people I meet nowadays just suck,
walter62
NES Member
OFFS
Instead of trying to all 'get along', put some cameras up, some announced, some not.
You get caught maliciously fking around w/ the steel, your entry card gets nuked for 30 days.
and your membership is pulled on 2nd offense.
There are too many people in the club wanting to be in it and keep it to tolerate
a**h***s.
Instead of trying to all 'get along', put some cameras up, some announced, some not.
You get caught maliciously fking around w/ the steel, your entry card gets nuked for 30 days.
and your membership is pulled on 2nd offense.
There are too many people in the club wanting to be in it and keep it to tolerate
a**h***s.
I think that's part of what the sponsor is supposed to evaluate. But I suppose it could turn into an pyramid of a**h***s for those who've never had their hands slapped or just haven't figured out how things work within the club.
I'd imagine some of it's just, yeah man things are going to get f-up up by doing that, right? Sometimes maybe because they just don't know better, yet. Or, it's the first time struggling to sight in their rifle and spray away. Yada yada.
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I don’t think it’s accidental. Sure some of it is spall, ricochets, and some bad shots. But it happens to frequently for that to be the cause.
Sure. Just saying, conversely, not everything that goes wrong is malicious or intentional.
No doubt some folk are indifferent and have an shit mindset. To some folk, it seems, it's a Golf club membership with hired ground staff to pick up after their yard sale. As pictured above. Further, if things end-up looking like a dumpster who's going to give a shit. It propagates. Oh look, someone is placing cans on the cross brace or stapled target on to the frames. New folks are: Oh, I guess that must be ok. Only takes a few.
Has any sponsor of a dumbass ever had any consequences at any club, anywhere?
i.e.: “sponsorship” is almost meaningless.
walter62
NES Member
At least we can throw the metal chairs at people
Tune in again in five years, we'll be having the exact same discussion about a minor issue with no good solutions.
Not unlike this thread I say
Tallahassee
NES Member
Have plenty of railroad ties.
I can say for certain, yes.
How’s that work?
“You said this guy was solid, but he turned out to be a dick, we’re suspending your membership.” Something like that?
How long is the probationary period? You can’t possibly hold a sponsor responsible if someone starts being a dick years later.
At both clubs where I’m a member the membership committee sponsors nearly all the new members, so obviously it doesn’t work like that there.
I don't know if I'm going to defend this idea but it might not be that people are dicks. Here's my unified theory of why people shoot crossbars:
1. This is MA.
2. Newer HSC members are trending younger. This is a good thing for the sport, but...
3. These newer members have never owned guns, and their parents (who were an elementary school teacher and a financial executive) didn't own guns either.
4. They know not to point loaded guns at people, but don't know etiquette, because they simply don't have years of range trips with Dad.
I've been an HSC member for.... 15-20 years now? Shit. But I definitely didn't know not to shoot the crossbars on my first range trip back in 2004 or whatever, if I'm being totally honest.
I think the red paint will solve the problem. I think people just don't know and then don't think.
1000%. Especially if new folks don't know better beforehand (and they don't).
1. This is MA.
2. Newer HSC members are trending younger. This is a good thing for the sport, but...
3. These newer members have never owned guns, and their parents (who were an elementary school teacher and a financial executive) didn't own guns either.
4. They know not to point loaded guns at people, but don't know etiquette, because they simply don't have years of range trips with Dad.
I've been an HSC member for.... 15-20 years now? Shit. But I definitely didn't know not to shoot the crossbars on my first range trip back in 2004 or whatever, if I'm being totally honest.
I think the red paint will solve the problem. I think people just don't know and then don't think.
1000%. Especially if new folks don't know better beforehand (and they don't).
Many people also overestimate their abilities. I've seen countless new shooters struggle to hit anything at ten yards with a pistol but their egos won't let them put the target closer. Same with rifle: everyone wants to be a "sniper" and shoot the farthest distance they can without having to qualify, instead of honing in their skills at the 50 yard range first. I refuse to believe that there are just dozens of members showing up to the 100 and thinking "time to destroy some club property and make those old geezers clean it up"; much more likely that they're terrible shots, don't know any better, or both.
Rockrivr1
NES Member
I'd agree with this if I hadn't seen how many shots were specifically aimed at the bolts and/or chains. That many hits to the critical pieces holding the steel up is not an accident. I get maybe the crossbars, but not the critical components to the steel.
I have my own steel target I shoot when Im in Maine, and with just me shooting at it its still gotten destroyed overtime. Now Im not doing bench shooting on it so accuracy goes down from that a little, but add in a public range and I could see damage over time happening pretty quick.
I would also believe there could be just a couple a**h***s that are doing it on purpose too
Have you actually seen people purposely hit those parts? Or are you assuming they did.
One could empty a 20 round mag downrange in the direction of the steel and probably hit a chain without meaning to.
Rockrivr1
NES Member
Few weeks ago I walked down range to look at them and a section of chain shouldn't have that many hits all around the place where it failed. Also, if you look at the steel there are many hits right around the bolts. I know you like giving the benefit of the doubt for people but this was deliberate. Nobody just accidentally shoots around the bolt that many times by accident.
I have actually seen a person shoot chains. They didn’t know any better, had seen people shoot through ropes in cool cowboy movies, and didn’t take the three seconds to think. Stupid, not malicious.
Something like that and 1 year, the sponsor ends up defacto on the hook if the new member's guest misbehaves.
Night_solstice
NES Member
But it still comes back to knowing who did it.
allen-1
NES Member
My local club set up a "steel pit". Plate rack, star, couple dueling trees, couple spring loaded poppers, and a paddle. It's listed as "pistol only", "no greentips", "don't move targets from positions", etc.
EVERY single piece of equipment is broken. Some of it is just horrendous shooting, people shooting at the paddle hitting the legs that support it, but some of it's just idiots. When I looked at the paddle two weeks ago, some f***tard had shot the center pulley with a rifle.
I don't even know how to begin to fix this. It was a really nice pit.
EVERY single piece of equipment is broken. Some of it is just horrendous shooting, people shooting at the paddle hitting the legs that support it, but some of it's just idiots. When I looked at the paddle two weeks ago, some f***tard had shot the center pulley with a rifle.
I don't even know how to begin to fix this. It was a really nice pit.
So its hard, realize like giving your prize winning 78 corvette summer model car to a 3 year old, its going to get broken. Asshats will slip through the cracks. A bullet impact is a massive amount of energy for a small time, even 22's will wear on 3/8 AR plate. Most store-available steel won't last long out in the wild, in a fenced in back yard sure but not when you turn it loose. We have had good luck with a few plate racks, but every week or two, at least one plate needs changing. We have a dueling tree but it gets hammered!! The tower gets changed every few years and it'll always need a plate or two but its a heavier pistol only, 22 won't operate it. Buy a pile of spare parts and keep note of the high maintenance ones. send those to the scrap pile.
Asaltweapon
NES Member
It’s happened on my private steel with just my nephew and at the local pit.
I’m lucky that my club range up here are not abused that I’ve ever noticed or heard about.
