Help Me Understand

[paul73]

had some early issues on the plastic frame models

i was thinking of those, as of metal ones, not even sure if i ever saw any. frankly, i never even did care to see any.

it`s like - "do you want to buy a kahr" here, is like, "do you want to buy a renault". i guess you may, but, why?

speaking of weird things, in last trip to spain we rented a car and got a citroen, in a turbo diesel. one tank gives you 1100km of range. and goes very smooth on the highway.
would be a dream car for long commuters here, but in the city on hills it burns diesel quite fast.

 

[M1911]

i was thinking of those, as of metal ones, not even sure if i ever saw any. frankly, i never even did care to see any.

it`s like - "do you want to buy a kahr" here, is like, "do you want to buy a renault". i guess you may, but, why?

When the K9 came out, it was a revolutionary design. It was far thinner than other carry 9s, much smaller even than the single-stack SIG P239. I owned both and I much preferred to carry the K9 over the P239.

Like a Glock, it is striker fired, but it has a very different trigger feel, with a long, smooth pull. This was back in the day when DAOs were popular, young Jedi, — in addition to selling the 3913, Smith also sold the DAO version 3953. This had a trigger more similar to a DAO than a Glock. And there weren’t many polymer-framed handguns. So steel was still a viable choice.

So the K9 and K40 were very small, thin, dedicated concealed carry guns that were easy to carry and very well made.

But now the market has changed. Polymer-framed guns rule the market. Then SIG and Glock came out with their thin, stack-and-half models, P365xl, G43x, and G48. The G43x is similar size to a K9, but lighter, holds 10+1 instead of 7+1, can mount a light and optic, etc. so the K9/K40 are no longer relevant in the market.

But the market was very different 25-30 years ago. Back then, the K9/K40 was a very viable gun for someone who wanted to belt-carry a 9mm but wanted something thinner than a Glock 19. For someone smaller like me, it was easier for me to conceal a K9 under a Hawaiian shirt than a Glock 19. Today we have many more choices.

 

[Rockrivr1]

I disagree. Their steel models never had a shitty reputation. They are very well made. They had some early issues on the plastic frame models, but mine has been reliable.

Agreed. I just happen to be at a table for a gun vendor at Marlboro when the vender put out a PM9 for sale. One guy in front of me asked to see it and after a bit he passed due to the price. The vendor didn’t even get a chance to put it down before I said I’d take it. A guy behind me said “Dammit” as he was going to take it as well. They were very hard to get and popular handguns 15-20 years ago.

 

[Agnotology]

i was thinking of those, as of metal ones, not even sure if i ever saw any. frankly, i never even did care to see any.

it`s like - "do you want to buy a kahr" here, is like, "do you want to buy a renault". i guess you may, but, why?

speaking of weird things, in last trip to spain we rented a car and got a citroen, in a turbo diesel. one tank gives you 1100km of range. and goes very smooth on the highway.
would be a dream car for long commuters here, but in the city on hills it burns diesel quite fast.

3 cylinder turbo? Yeah, makes sense. It burns diesel quickly in the hills, but that rate is probably still 30-35 mpg equivalent.

We had access to a car like that, the old 3 cylinder geo metro. No one wanted them. 56 mpg in the 90s with a stick cruising at 65 mph.

 

[paul73]

3 cylinder turbo? Yeah, makes sense. It burns diesel quickly in the hills, but that rate is probably still 30-35 mpg equivalent.

We had access to a car like that, the old 3 cylinder geo metro. No one wanted them. 56 mpg in the 90s with a stick cruising at 65 mph.

It was a c5 - 4 cyl 8 speed. Had no issues getting to 160 km/h on a highway.
Overall was a perfectly normal car.

 

[Mark from ?]

Agreed. I just happen to be at a table for a gun vendor at Marlboro when the vender put out a PM9 for sale. One guy in front of me asked to see it and after a bit he passed due to the price. The vendor didn’t even get a chance to put it down before I said I’d take it. A guy behind me said “Dammit” as he was going to take it as well. They were very hard to get and popular handguns 15-20 years ago.

This.......you had your choice between a G26 or a PM9....and the PM9 was smaller.......Not much else out there in that market, in those days. If I remember right they were at least 600 bucks, think more in stainless. Both to me were always too small along with the bevy of micro shit choices that have come since with handles that are too small to grab and shoot well.

 

[M1911]

This.......you had your choice between a G26 or a PM9....and the PM9 was smaller.......Not much else out there in that market, in those days. If I remember right they were at least 600 bucks, think more in stainless. Both to me were always too small along with the bevy of micro shit choices that have come since with handles that are too small to grab and shoot well.

For me, the G26 is just way too big for a pocket gun, I had one and sold it. The PM9 is a better pocket gun for me than my old 642. It is certainly not as good to shoot as a Glock 43x, but my 43x won't fit in my pocket. TANSTAAFL.

 

[FalArAk]

You are missing nothing.

I am not buying a used gun from a local dealer for $150-250 more than a new gun sells for.

Why not?

Support your local FFL otherwise they will be forced out of business by big box store guns!

 

[Broc Tuah]

This.......you had your choice between a G26 or a PM9....and the PM9 was smaller.......Not much else out there in that market, in those days. If I remember right they were at least 600 bucks, think more in stainless. Both to me were always too small along with the bevy of micro shit choices that have come since with handles that are too small to grab and shoot well.

There still isn't much else in terms of reliable 9mm guns to conceal in that size.

The next size up from a PM9 is a SIG 365.

There is nothing offered today that wasn't offered back when the PM9 was released, except now you can get a few more rounds and the guns have more plastic. I will give it to SIG for making such a small gun that can carry more rounds, they did a great job. But if you want something smaller, in 9mm, that is reliable, I can't think of any other gun but the PM9.

 

[Individualist]

The PM9 is a well made and accurate gun. The trigger is smooth, though the take up is long. Once it hits the wall and breaks the reset for follow up shots is fine. Flip is minimal vs others of its size. Like anything, especially carry guns, you just need to practice with it and develop good trigger discipline so it becomes second nature. It ain’t rocket scientry.

The critical aspect of the PM9 is that it NOT have the f***ing retarded added manual safety. That abomination killed the gun in MA. The long trigger pull IS the safety and what makes the design so great for pocket carry. Free-State version only or don’t bother.

 

[Agnotology]

There still isn't much else in terms of reliable 9mm guns to conceal in that size.

The next size up from a PM9 is a SIG 365.

There is nothing offered today that wasn't offered back when the PM9 was released, except now you can get a few more rounds and the guns have more plastic. I will give it to SIG for making such a small gun that can carry more rounds, they did a great job. But if you want something smaller, in 9mm, that is reliable, I can't think of any other gun but the PM9.

Have you shot a Bond Arms bullpup9? They've finally got them really dialed in. If size is the be all end all, at the very least touching one should be a point of consideration.

 

[Grendizer138]

Why not?

Support your local FFL otherwise they will be forced out of business by big box store guns!

This is true though. If you don’t care you don’t care, but it is true.

 

[FancyGunz]

I had to add that before everyone started recommending Glocks (I have several), Springfield, SIG (I have a 365) or try telling me how the gun is somewhat inferior to all the new plastic guns.

PM9 is fantastic, don't listen to the haters.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Have you shot a Bond Arms bullpup9? They've finally got them really dialed in. If size is the be all end all, at the very least touching one should be a point of consideration.

I have not.

 

[Broc Tuah]

This is true though. If you don’t care you don’t care, but it is true.

I was clearly trying to support a local FFL.
But it seems the local FFLs didn't care for the support.

 

[Grendizer138]

I was clearly trying to support a local FFL.
But it seems the local FFLs didn't care for the support.

Yes, I know. I was referring to Gerg, the undisputed champion of skinflinting.

 

[FalArAk]

This is true though. If you don’t care you don’t care, but it is true.

To the tune of $150-$200 over? F that, let the free market take over at that point