MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Any constructive solution?
It's a lot bigger issue than just this bill. As long as the Speaker of the House has essentially unlimited (no term limits, no real governance rules, etc.) power over the House and the representatives, then it will go his way. The Dem reps are being told to vote for this or their perks / committee positions get stripped and their office gets moved to a stall in the restroom.
Unless the Feds come up with something on Mariano and take him down like they have with previous House leadership, then most of the Reps will do what they are told.
 
New guy here, waiting on my arrival of my LTC, wanted to say HI and I’ve been doin my part(which will probably have zero effect) reaching out to each of this “politicians” on the committee, I am also a member of GOAL.
God help us all

Sorry, you're frucked, get the hell out of MA, especially if you're young, if you stay you won't have any guns and you'll be working to support illegals and commies/solicialists.
 
It's a lot bigger issue than just this bill. As long as the Speaker of the House has essentially unlimited (no term limits, no real governance rules, etc.) power over the House and the representatives, then it will go his way. The Dem reps are being told to vote for this or their perks / committee positions get stripped and their office gets moved to a stall in the restroom.
Unless the Feds come up with something on Mariano and take him down like they have with previous House leadership, then most of the Reps will do what they are told.
I suspect in this instance nobody is going to intervene. The state government is doing exactly as it is being told.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/13/white-house-gun-violence-00131473
 
New guy here, waiting on my arrival of my LTC, wanted to say HI and I’ve been doin my part(which will probably have zero effect) reaching out to each of this “politicians” on the committee, I am also a member of GOAL.
God help us all
The best advice... the day you get your ltc, run, don't walk to The Mill in Littleton and buy as much as your wife allows it. You won't regret it.
 
Creem and Tarr offset each other. Lovely is another commie.

Creem is Majority leader, Lovely is Asst Majority leader. Tarr is one of the few Republican in the Senate. it's a lost cause
When they announced hd4420 I called Lovely's office to voice my opposition and was told by her staffer that she's a gun owner. That might not make a difference in how she feels about this trash legislation but it can't hurt to contact her office and put the pressure on. Creem is a lost cause.
 
When they announced hd4420 I called Lovely's office to voice my opposition and was told by her staffer that she's a gun owner. That might not make a difference in how she feels about this trash legislation but it can't hurt to contact her office and put the pressure on.
Is she grandfathered?

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New guy here, waiting on my arrival of my LTC, wanted to say HI and I’ve been doin my part(which will probably have zero effect) reaching out to each of this “politicians” on the committee, I am also a member of GOAL.
God help us all

...good thing this guy apparently hasn't found the "NES Social Credit Score" thread yet. At the moment, he's up over 4!
 
I suspect in this instance nobody is going to intervene. The state government is doing exactly as it is being told.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/13/white-house-gun-violence-00131473
Why does our side not have someone coaching them along like this?


Check out mafreedomslate.com voting for the right people helps, actual conservatives not RINOs.
Never heard of them. Is this a new group? Is this going to be the Sutton/Douglas caucus all over again? Or worse, Carla Howell?
 
Why does our side not have someone coaching them along like this?



Never heard of them. Is this a new group? Is this going to be the Sutton/Douglas caucus all over again? Or worse, Carla Howell?
A list of conservatives in your town/city check it out and make your own decisions
 
No, don't do that.........

You are actually trying to do something that helps instead of just telling people to get the f#@k out of MA.

There is literally nothing we can do to change the trajectory of these laws, nothing. Our only hope is the courts afterwards and I have my severe doubts about any relief at all there (and it will be years before anything happens). I am 56 and lived in MA all my life, with the benefit of hindsight, where we are, and where we are going on multiple fronts, conservative gun owners should get the fruck out, ESPECIALLY if they are younger, IMO.
 
There is literally nothing we can do to change the trajectory of these laws, nothing. Our only hope is the courts afterwards and I have my severe doubts about any relief at all there (and it will be years before anything happens). I am 56 and lived in MA all my life, with the benefit of hindsight, where we are, and where we are going on multiple fronts, conservative gun owners should get the fruck out, ESPECIALLY if they are younger, IMO.
Nothing *legally* can be done but wait for the courts.
 
You have a lot more hope than me. And, if Biden gets back in and Dems control the house and senate, forget about SCOTUS if anything did ever make it there.
Oh, you misunderstood me. I'm at the point where I'm hoping for an absolute end of days f***ing shitshow. Purge siren and rooftop voters.
 
You have a lot more hope than me. And, if Biden gets back in and Dems control the house and senate, forget about SCOTUS if anything did ever make it there.
If Biden "wins" again we will be seeing the real life action parody of Weekend At Bernie's mixed with a little Australian style confiscation.
 
Why does our side not have someone coaching them along like this?
My opinion?

Republicans underestimate democrats. Liberal democrats aren't dumb. They just hold different beliefs than we do. Some of the hardest working and smartest people I know are liberal democrats. True believers. Zealots. They were pissed when Clinton's '94 ban didn't actually ban the things they wanted gone. They were pissed when that law sunset. They were pissed when Trump "stole" the office from Hillary then nominated conservatives to the Supreme Court. So they huddled up and analyzed their failures, figured out where they needed to improve, and came up with a plan.

Conservative republicans keep getting caught flat footed. And when they have the advantage, they both fail to use it effectively, and take actions that please far right wing conservatives but piss off everybody else, which causes them to get unelected.

The rest of us are actually libertarians, not far right wing conservative republicans. We want to live our lives as we see fit, not run everyone else's lives. And as long as we're being largely left alone, we just go about our business. So we don't fight until cornered.
 
My opinion?

Republicans underestimate democrats. Liberal democrats aren't dumb. They just hold different beliefs than we do. Some of the hardest working and smartest people I know are liberal democrats. True believers. Zealots. They were pissed when Clinton's '94 ban didn't actually ban the things they wanted gone. They were pissed when that law sunset. They were pissed when Trump "stole" the office from Hillary then nominated conservatives to the Supreme Court. So they huddled up and analyzed their failures, figured out where they needed to improve, and came up with a plan.

Conservative republicans keep getting caught flat footed. And when they have the advantage, they both fail to use it effectively, and take actions that please far right wing conservatives but piss off everybody else, which causes them to get unelected.

The rest of us are actually libertarians, not far right wing conservative republicans. We want to live our lives as we see fit, not run everyone else's lives. And as long as we're being largely left alone, we just go about our business. So we don't fight until cornered.
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Roughly 708,000 full time officers in the US, over 100M gun owners. I like those odds.
The millions of military age criminal aliens pouring across the border that the Enclave is pushing to put in police and military uniforms along with the purging of the police and military of patriots means .gov will have the ability to field large force of trigger pullers with zero love or loyalty towards Americans. And that's on top of the technological surveillance state and whatever nightmarish drone/AI warfare is getting cooked up by DARPA and the tech oligarchs right now.
 
The millions of military age criminal aliens pouring across the border that the Enclave is pushing to put in police and military uniforms along with the purging of the police and military of patriots means .gov will have the ability to field large force of trigger pullers with zero love or loyalty towards Americans. And that's on top of the technological surveillance state and whatever nightmarish drone/AI warfare is getting cooked up by DARPA and the tech oligarchs right now.
We could always get a jump on them. But no one will.
 
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