MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[paul73]

Bye bye shotguns

huh? that too? a beretta 1301 is an assault weapon of war as well now? i missed that.

well, one way or another - we go now in to a full commie mode where all guns become sacred family heirlooms, to be passed over from generation to generation and kept in privately, with no bragging and no showing.

 

[chris_1001]

Thats what im saying...40 of us on a studio lease lol

Oh. Years ago I used to go to some of the ski houses in North Conway.

You could store your gear there, come up when you want etc.

Something like that?

 

[pastera]

Yeah. That seems to be the consensus.

So maybe the unintended consequences of this is why mura has not signed it?

You know she is salivating to sign it. She realized too late they went too far?

OR There is no LEO exemption?

Thinking out loud

Even if she vetos it with a public statement that it goes too far and will get struck down, the legislature will just override the veto.

The LEO exemptions are in there - that's why the police chiefs decided to support it.

 

[Love Machine]

Buy your Steyr AUG prebans while you can!

Join Dench with his! Be cool like me!

…gay!

 

[chris_1001]

Another horrible side effect of this if somebody gets whacked with a restraining order and a dealer has to take the guns there's no chance of the guy getting most of his shit back even if it's boring, unless there's a cutout in the law for that.

It’s worse. You have a year to get your shit back or it’s sold and MA gets to keep the cash!

 

[pastera]

huh? that too? a beretta 1301 is an assault weapon of war as well now? i missed that.

No they aren't banned, they just can't be sold commercially once this goes into effect.

 

[chris_1001]

Even if she vetos it with a public statement that it goes too far and will get struck down, the legislature will just override the veto.

The LEO exemptions are in there - that's why the police chiefs decided to support it.

Thanks. Missed that.

 

[pastera]

It’s worse. You have a year to get your shit back or it’s sold and MA gets to keep the cash!

A year? How about only as long as it takes for the bonded warehouse to get there.

 

[Mushkie11]

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Fkn scumbag

 

[chris_1001]

A year? How about only as long as it takes for the bonded warehouse to get there.

True. Once in you never get anything back.

 

[paul73]

No they aren't banned, they just can't be sold commercially once this goes into effect.

that means banned.

but i do understand, cool. they just equaled shotties with rifles way faster than i was expecting that to happen, it is usually more gradual. but, i guess, why to wait when the urge is so strong.

 

[808]

Starting with "but I have a gay/black friend/brother/uncle and I don't have a problem with him, but..." is the same as "I support the second amendment, but..." It's bullshit weasel-wording.

Why do you care even a little bit what someone else calls themself? That's a serious question. We're not talking a surprise "Crying Game" situation here, they literally have zero overlap with you.

I don't care what's in someone else's pants or how they dress or if they want to be called "Tony" or "Tanya" None of my business. Unless you're getting naked with them, or their doctor, it's none of your business either.

My brother is gay, and I am fully supportive and do not view him any differently. I can't say everyone else views him the same, but that is ok not to accept it, you don't have to, and he doesn't need you to.

How does a right that literally states "Shall not be infringed" compare to this situation at all? We are talking about 1% of the world population that is trans opposed to 40% of the US population alone being gun owners.

Why do I care? It's affecting my children's education, movies, TV shows, and books? It's being pushed on our children at a level that is honestly disturbing.

How would you feel if a biological male was going to the ladies bathroom with your underage daughter or in girls's locker rooms?
We have people identifying as animals, so when does it end? Should we support them and get them a cat boxes or take them outside to go to the bathroom?

Can I identify as law enforcement and be exempt from all this BS?

 

[pastera]

that means banned.

but i do understand, cool. they just equaled shotties with rifles way faster than i was expecting that to happen, it is usually more gradual. but, i guess, why to wait when the urge is so strong.

No it doesn't mean banned because you can buy them privately and outnof state and you can possess them.

And rifles are in the same position
Until they add them to the roster or pass another bill to fix this gun stores won't be able to sell them

 

[HorizontalHunter]

It’s worse. You have a year to get your shit back or it’s sold and MA gets to keep the cash!

I wonder if a gun trust would offer any protection against this.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

So if we bought lowers and registered them prior to 8/1, then slapped uppers on them post 8/1, that would be permissable and dealers could sell those uppers within the 90 day enactment period?

 

[maltc]

I hope this is sarcasm
If not this statement is dumbest I have seen in a long while

It’s not sarcasm- because regardless if you want to admit it or not, we had things fairly good here. Their response to Bruen, in a state that is entirely run by democrat courts/ag’s/legislators created this disaster as a response and will evicerate our rights. There is no guarantee the supreme court will ever take a case that reverses this…and getting past the first circuit is next to impossible. What good is Bruen right now? It’s being completely ignored/defied. Bruen was the momentum they needed- and they got it.

 

[mac1911]

So why are all these stores posting that they will stop sales after 8/1? I thought unless there was an emergency order that this will take 90 days to go into effect. So let’s say on 10/1, I buy a fancy new Glock, an AR and a semi auto shotgun. Shouldn’t I be good to go until 11/1 as they are and at that point have the option of making them “compliant” with the new terms or (and this is a big or) move or store them at my cottage in NH?

Well depends im thinking licensed gun shops are going to comply to the 8/1 rule as to not loose there license as they did with ARs and such back in 2016

 

[chris_1001]

I wonder if a gun trust would offer any protection against this.

I’ve asked about this over the years and the consensus is, no.

Sadly.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I like the sound of this, but I feel like it is just delaying the inevitable. You put this on the ballot in a state like MA and it's going to get voted in. It also gives the legislators the argument "see, the people want this, they actively voted for it". It might also give them the opportunity to unf*ck it a little and weaken our argument about how restrictive it actually is.

An initiative petition to kill this law would never work in MA. The politicians and their media hacks would position it as "defeat this or blood will flow in the streets". Let's face it, even a year from now, most MA gun owners won't even have a clue what is in this abomination.

A year? How about only as long as it takes for the bonded warehouse to get there.

True. Once the PD turns them over to a bonded warehouse, they are "gone". PD doesn't get them back and the rightful owner won't either.

 

[mac1911]

Thats right typical BS government crap
LEO should not be exempt from laws , right there is enough show we live in a dictatorship state.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I’ve asked about this over the years and the consensus is, no.

Sadly.

So there is nothing to stop the state from suspending your license and taking your property because someone makes an accusation against you.

 

[pastera]

It’s not sarcasm- because regardless if you want to admit it or not, we had things fairly good here. Their response to Bruen, in a state that is entirely run by democrat courts/ag’s/legislators created this disaster as a response and will evicerate our rights. There is no guarantee the supreme court will ever take a case that reverses this…and getting past the first circuit is next to impossible. What good is Bruen right now? It’s being completely ignored/defied. Bruen was the momentum they needed- and they got it.

Then if it wasn't sarcasm, you are a self absorb, narcissistic and moronic f***tard willing to give up everyone's liberty for your own comfort.

If that wasn't clear enough, you are an enemy and an insult to all patriots.
Piss off.

 

[EJFudd]

Yeah. That seems to be the consensus.

So maybe the unintended consequences of this is why mura has not signed it?

There are clearly some really extra-weird provisions in the new law that beg to be clarified. They go beyond FR and unless the Legislature is even more evil and crazed than I think they are (which is WAY evil and crazed, BTW), I expect some clarifying explanations will be forthcoming. The question is: Will they have to re-write the law to fix the worst of these bugs? Or will they somehow be allowed to clarify the obvious bugs by some other administrative means?

 

[pastera]

So if we bought lowers and registered them prior to 8/1, then slapped uppers on them post 8/1, that would be permissable and dealers could sell those uppers within the 90 day enactment period?

You run into the issue with copies and duplicates requiring a registration prior to 7/20/16 in order to be considered preban.

 

[paul73]

Thats right typical BS government crap
LEO should not be exempt from laws , right there is enough show we live in a dictatorship state.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

 

[chris_1001]

So there is nothing to stop the state from suspending your license and taking your property because someone makes an accusation against you.

Absolutely YES!!! And now with way less effort!

@HorizontalHunter called me a poopy head online and has a high point in .40. Please red flag him!!!

^ this is what they want.

 

[pastera]

Well depends im thinking licensed gun shops are going to comply to the 8/1 rule as to not loose there license as they did with ARs and such back in 2016

If they go after even a single shop for an off roster sale the state gives us standing for injuctive relief.

 

[Lxpony]

We should start a thread dedicated to just showing what you bought ahead of the 8/1 deadline....

 

[maltc]

Then if it wasn't sarcasm, you are a self absorb, narcissistic and moronic f***tard willing to give up everyone's liberty for your own comfort.

If that wasn't clear enough, you are an enemy and an insult to all patriots.
Piss off.

Wtf? Lol

What are you even talking about? You just lost your liberty w/ this new law. (On paper that is).

 

[HorizontalHunter]

If they go after even a single shop for an off roster sale the state gives us standing for injuctive relief.

You know thst they will. They won’t be able to help themselves.