MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[william_munny]

This is where I am at more so then not with everything said. So skip the MA portal then? What’s the proof of legal ownership? Receipt? Or what the dealer fills out when buying it?

I can't say because IANAL, but I'm going to skip the portal for now because the law as it stands at this moment says I can't register a receiver that isn't fully assembled. We technically don't have any way to register until the new system is done. It's been said that they can trace the serial number to find out when it was transferred to you by a dealer and that would count as a time stamp for the sale.

 

[not new guy]

You need to get your feet in the pic for it to be believable.

 

[Gunowner80]

Timed stamped posts of monthly purchases on an online forum surely count as proof of ownership, right?

Haha.

 

[AJK129]

Owned 7/31!

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Its unfortunate how these are configured, I cant toss a 10 on my 9

 

[Uzi2]

There needs to be a Mass mooning of the legislature. 5000 people standing across the street in the Common, dropping their drawers and shooting the moon to the state house, all at once, carrying signs that say KISS MY ASS!!!

 

[scott-o]

There needs to be a Mass mooning of the legislature. 5000 people standing across the street in the Common, dropping their drawers and shooting the moon to the state house, all at once, carrying signs that say KISS MY ASS!!!

Wouldn't this put you on the "other" list tho?

 

[pastera]

Wtf? Lol

What are you even talking about? You just lost your liberty w/ this new law. (On paper that is).

No, I have lost nothing.
This is a fight and a long one at that.
I will not take temporary comfort over a long term win.
I will fight the fight such that my children and (future) grandchildren shall be free.

If you long for the yoke of tyranny, take it elsewhere as here we stand up to tyrants and fools.

 

[Gunowner80]

I can't say because IANAL, but I'm going to skip the portal for now because the law as it stands at this moment says I can't register a receiver that isn't fully assembled. We technically don't have any way to register until the new system is done. It's been said that they can trace the serial number to find out when it was transferred to you by a dealer and that would count as a time stamp for the sale.

Good stuff. I’m with you on this. What if I build it up after 8/1 and before their new system? Thoughts?

 

[Uzi2]

Wouldn't this put you on the "other" list tho?

Are you afraid of being on any list?

 

[pastera]

There needs to be a Mass mooning of the legislature. 5000 people standing across the street in the Common, dropping their drawers and shooting the moon to the state house, all at once, carrying signs that say KISS MY ASS!!!

I'd rather upper deck their desk.

 

[HazMatGlowWorm]

Does anyone know if it will be illegal to transfer a semi auto rifle on EFA10 after Aug 1?

 

[Uzi2]

I'd rather upper deck their desk.

I'd really rather pull the release lever of a trap door under their feet.

 

[MAJoe]

Does anyone know if it will be illegal to transfer a semi auto rifle on EFA10 after Aug 1?

Depends. Is it an assault weapon that’s not grandfathered?

 

[chris_1001]

Does anyone know if it will be illegal to transfer a semi auto rifle on EFA10 after Aug 1?

No one f***ing knows.

Seriously???

 

[chris_1001]

Depends. Is it an assault weapon that’s not grandfathered?

Don’t feed the troll.

No one knows. The bill is not even signed

 

[chris_1001]

Depends. Is it an assault weapon that’s not grandfathered?

Yes, no! Hell no. Maybe? Sorta!

And it’s “grandpersoned”

 

[william_munny]

Good stuff. I’m with you on this. What if I build it up after 8/1 and before their new system? Thoughts?

I see that as changing nothing. You're already legally in possession of it. When the new system is in place, you are registering a firearm regardless of configuration. But again, IANAL.

 

[pastera]

I can't say because IANAL, but I'm going to skip the portal for now because the law as it stands at this moment says I can't register a receiver that isn't fully assembled. We technically don't have any way to register until the new system is done. It's been said that they can trace the serial number to find out when it was transferred to you by a dealer and that would count as a time stamp for the sale.

This is wrong, period
Read the bill - all of the language has meaning.
Therefore the fact that the definition of "assault-style" clearly calls out that copies and duplicates registered before 7/20/16 are not considered assault-style weapons means for that language to have meaning there must have been a method to have registered guns at that time.

The transaction portal is a defacto registry. This bill converts and expands it to a full registry.

 

[pastera]

Does anyone know if it will be illegal to transfer a semi auto rifle on EFA10 after Aug 1?

Yes, you will be able to transfer.

 

[Uzi2]

MOVE OUT OR TELL THEM ALL FVCK YOU!!!

 

[william_munny]

This is wrong, period
Read the bill - all of the language has meaning.
Therefore the fact that the definition of "assault-style" clearly calls out that copies and duplicates registered before 7/20/16 are not considered assault-style weapons means for that language to have meaning there must have been a method to have registered guns at that time.

The transaction portal is a defacto registry. This bill converts and expands it to a full registry.

I understand your interpretation of this but then what does this mean for unbuilt lowers? They can't legally be registered via the transaction portal. Is it your opinion that unbuilt lowers don't survive this law taking effect?

 

[scott-o]

I'd rather upper deck their desk.

Upper desker

 

[AJK129]

MOVE OUT OR TELL THEM ALL FVCK YOU!!!

Both?

 

[pastera]

I understand your interpretation of this but then what does this mean for unbuilt lowers? They can't legally be registered via the transaction portal. Is it your opinion that unbuilt lowers don't survive this law taking effect?

Do you have a completed rifle?
Disassemble it and use it to serially complete all of your lowers - once they can fire register them if it makes you feel better.

But remember, the status of "copies and duplicates" registered post 7/20/16 is quite likely banned (I'm 90% certain of this). So you may be letting the government know you have felony possession of "illegal assault-style" guns.

 

[AJK129]

Do you have a completed rifle?
Disassemble it and use it to serially complete all of your lowers - once they can fire register them if it makes you feel better.

But remember, the status of "copies and duplicates" registered post 7/20/16 is quite likely banned (I'm 90% certain of this). So you may be letting the government know you have felony possession of "illegal assault-style" guns.

So if you have 1 mcx, theoretically all your lowers are for the 1 allowed upper?

 

[pastera]

So if you have 1 mcx, theoretically all your lowers are for the 1 allowed upper?

Lowers are guns - the rest is just parts.

 

[chris_1001]

So if you have 1 mcx, theoretically all your lowers are for the 1 allowed upper?

Your response is the exact opposite of my response

 

[william_munny]

Do you have a completed rifle?
Disassemble it and use it to serially complete all of your lowers - once they can fire register them if it makes you feel better.

But remember, the status of "copies and duplicates" registered post 7/20/16 is quite likely banned (I'm 90% certain of this). So you may be letting the government know you have felony possession of "illegal assault-style" guns.

And what if that's not an option? Say you have a completed AR-15 pattern rifle but an unbuilt AR-10 pattern lower. Assuming that's pre-2016, does that get rendered illegal on 8/1 because there was no way for you to register it?

 

[MAJoe]

Do you have a completed rifle?
Disassemble it and use it to serially complete all of your lowers - once they can fire register them if it makes you feel better.

But remember, the status of "copies and duplicates" registered post 7/20/16 is quite likely banned (I'm 90% certain of this). So you may be letting the government know you have felony possession of "illegal assault-style" guns.

Think of it this way too, a flowchart.

Is this an AR or copy/duplicate? If yes, was it registered before 7/20 (btw Healy said on or before 7/20, so this doesn’t even align with her guidance)? If yes, it’s not an assault weapon. 8/1 date is irrelevant. You don’t need the exemption.

If no, was it lawfully owned, registered, and serialized by 8/1? If it was a lower, it was lawfully owned and the registration requirement was met because there is no requirement to register it. If you built it and didn’t register it… then one could argue it was not lawfully possessed and it was not registered.

Not a lawyer. You have a week to figure out what to do.

 

[TLB]

No one knows for sure. The prevailing thought is that if you possess it legally, then when it gets reclassified as a firearm on 8/1 you are already good to go and just need to register it once the new system is developed in 6-12 months. The big question mark is whether or not post-July 2016 lowers will still be considered "possessed legally" on 8/1.

Reregistration? Sorry, not gonna happen. I'll be a test case, first. Time for patriots to stand tall.